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Old 06-21-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Not really a fair comparison as Adelaide is like the cheapest major city in Australia and Vancouver is like the most expensive major city in Canada. Compare cost of living including housing costs alone in Adelaide to Halifax or Winnipeg.
As a city, Halifax is more comparable to Hobart not Adelaide. I haven't been to Winnipeg, but from an internet search it looks more like the Canadian equivalent of Wollongong or Geelong. In terms of lifestyle, amenities and desirability, Vancouver and Adelaide are a pretty good match.

And if you look at other key metrics, Canadians live in smaller homes, own fewer cars and pay a higher proportion of their income in taxes compared to Australians.

Car ownership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...les_per_capita Aus 731 per 1000i inhabitants, Canada 662.
Home sizes: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house Aus 214m2, Canada 181m2
Total taxes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...centage_of_GDP Aus 25.8%, Canada 32.2%

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Old 06-21-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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And why would Australians want their country to be a superpower? How would their quality of life be better?
Very true. Their quality of life would drain away along with their pocket book over time. History repeating itself. Superpowers fall because of greed, every single time in history shows this. Mega Greed is the only reason superpowers ever existed in the first place.
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Just because North American tourists find Australian (or Scandinavian) prices "too expensive", doesn't mean that Australians and Scandinavians do.
Yep, and the tourist perception is not always that accurate. I remember visiting Vancouver and it seemed very high cost to me....because i went to all the tourists traps, ate in nicer down town restaurants, and any shopping i did was spur of the moment at high priced "convenience" outlets and locations.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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this debate again....

im an american, i live in oz... everything is more expensive in oz...

on average, is pay higher for unskilled workers in aus as opposed to americas unskilled labor force??? yes...

the usa has something that australia doesnt really have - mid major cities. In oz you either live in one of the major cities and/or their metro areas and deal with their cost of living or you are in some bfe lil town with limited services. the biggest regional town not a metro of some city in aus would be what? Albury wodonga at 80-90k people.

my brother lives a mile from the vegas strip and pays 600 bucks a month for rent in a studio - thats mid major living. when i lived in austin tx, i was paying roughly the same for a 2br unit a couple of miles from the city center..AND yes, austin is another mid major city. BUT the market has been hot for years, so im sure the prices will reflect that now... however, how much did i make in austin as a unskilled worker.. 700-1200 (938-1609 aud) a week.. my wages varied with tips..

food costs is nearly twice as much in oz and thats just how it is.... some things are comparable but overall its more expensive here.. Choices are limited too... however, some people do not realize that oz is roughly 23 mil people when the usa is roughly 318 mil strong... that will reflect in purchasing power, more diverse products/services and competition across the board... aus is monopoly central for most things.... and prices/standards reflect this

we bought a house for 330k in semi bfe...... what would that get me in a decent mid major city... or a larger city like dallas??? they dont even compare

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Old 06-21-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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As a city, Halifax is more comparable to Hobart not Adelaide. I haven't been to Winnipeg, but from an internet search it looks more like the Canadian equivalent of Wollongong or Geelong. In terms of lifestyle, amenities and desirability, Vancouver and Adelaide are a pretty good match.

And if you look at other key metrics, Canadians live in smaller homes, own fewer cars and pay a higher proportion of their income in taxes compared to Australians.

Car ownership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...les_per_capita Aus 731 per 1000i inhabitants, Canada 662.
Home sizes: How big is a house? Average house size by country – shrinkthatfootprint.com Aus 214m2, Canada 181m2
Total taxes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...centage_of_GDP Aus 25.8%, Canada 32.2%
Adelaide and Vancouver are absolutely not comparable in any way. Vancouver is much larger city. It's more comparable with Brisbane in size.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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Australia WAS well on its way toward becoming a superpower. However, disadvantageous immigration is diluting the people who make Australia such a wonderful/productive/high-IQ/civil place, as well as undermining the cohesiveness of the nation (as well as undermining other group dynamics).

Your 'leaders' HATE you, and want to replace you.
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Old 06-21-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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Australia WAS well on its way toward becoming a superpower. However, disadvantageous immigration is diluting the people who make Australia such a wonderful/productive/high-IQ/civil place, as well as undermining the cohesiveness of the nation (as well as undermining other group dynamics).

Your 'leaders' HATE you, and want to replace you.
australains being replaced by non australians?? hmmm this seems very australian to me
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Old 06-22-2016, 03:17 AM
 
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But you pay higher taxes so what remains from this $15?
$39 dollars per week from their gross income of $600. I'd call that bugger all and it doesn't take into account likely welfare payments such a low income receives. Family tax benefits etc.

Australia is not a high taxing nation by any means with regard to average to low income earners. In fact a little over half of all Australians pay no tax after accounting for such transfer payments mentioned above.

High income earners in the other hand certainly pay plenty.

By international standards, overall we are not a high taxing nation. We are pretty high spending though.......

We are the 5th lowest taxing nation as a % of GDP in the OECD, with the US taxing very marginally less than us.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:55 AM
 
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But you pay higher taxes so what remains from this $15?


Put 30K income in and compare these two.

TaxCalc - Calculate your tax. 2015-2016 financial year

2016 Personal tax calculator - EY - Canada - EY - Canada

A person in the lowest taxing provience of Canada is still looking at a 50% higher tax bill than an Australian on that income.


No state income taxes in Australia.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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Put 30K income in and compare these two.

TaxCalc - Calculate your tax. 2015-2016 financial year

2016 Personal tax calculator - EY - Canada - EY - Canada

A person in the lowest taxing provience of Canada is still looking at a 50% higher tax bill than an Australian on that income.


No state income taxes in Australia.
The difference in my province is $1327 on an income of $37000

With a wage of $50,000 it's almost exactly the same with Australia being $8,,547 and here in BC it's $8372.
It's higher in other provinces though.

The difference flips in Canada's favour when someone makes $60,000 a year.

It obviously is going to vary in which deductions one can make, like RRSP's and a tax free savings account that we have in Canada. I'm unfamiliar with Australia's tax system, but do you have these as well?

Also what deductions are taken off your paycheques, other than income tax? We have EI ( employment insurance, and CPP ( Canada Pension Plan ) as well as income tax.

Again it varies where one lives. Canada's GST is 5 percent compared to Australia's 10 percent, but we have sales tax except in Alberta. Here in B.C. if there is both GST and PST ( provincial sales tax ) on a product or service we pay 12 percent.

It just too easy to just compare income tax rates. For fun, I looked at Property Transfer Taxes in B.C. compared to Stamp Duty in NSW on a property worth $500,000. In BC it's $8,000, in NSW it's $18,318. $10,000 more.

My point is that taxes can be vary wildly depending on the person, and that income taxes alone don't prove or disprove whether someone is better off or not.
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