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I'd drop back and punt. You're better off with a 10 year old toyota camry than a new ford.
A brand new Ford woudl hav a worranty and enythign that MIGHT go wrong woudl be fixed free. A 10 year old Toyota Camry woudl be a boring beater that very likely would still need work but you'd haev to pay for it and independent Toyota mechanics are as pricy as BMW ones.
I'd drop back and punt. You're better off with a 10 year old toyota camry than a new ford.
This is a silly and irrational post not backed one bit by facts.
So it doesn't matter to you that the current Ford Fusion has proven for three years in a row that it is more reliable than both the Camry and Accord?
The same Camry that was not recommended by Consumer Reports because the redesign had below average reliability? Or the current 4 cyl Accord has average reliability because of problem brakes?
2 or 3 years does not make a reputation. That ship has sailed a long time ago for 'merican cars. I won't even buy a foreign car that is assembled in the U.S. Ford might make good axles, but Toyota makes entire cars that are reliable and have been for decades. I've yet to see a grandmother pull into a grocery store on an axle.
Most Honda Accords sold in the US have been built in Marysville Ohio since 1982. Many other Hondas are built in the US or Canada.
Many Toyotas are built in the US.
You'll only buy/drive Japanese built Toyotas?
I agree Toyotas have had overall excellent reliability for a long time. But nothing stands still and it is well known that Toyota quality has slipped. Their own management admits it. Look at the interior of a current Camry. The parts are cheap and look it.
But FWIW, I drove a 2000 Jaguar S-type with the 4L version of that engine to 127,000 miles. The Jag was not perfect, but the engine was very reliable. It had two thermostat failures in the first 50K miles, replaced under warranty. When I sold the car, it was still running flawlessly and strong, returning 23-24 MPG at 80 MPH in Texas highway driving.
This is a silly and irrational post not backed one bit by facts.
So it doesn't matter to you that the current Ford Fusion has proven for three years in a row that it is more reliable than both the Camry and Accord?
The same Camry that was not recommended by Consumer Reports because the redesign had below average reliability? Or the current 4 cyl Accord has average reliability because of problem brakes?
My current camry is a 2001 with a J vin no. It is the last year of that model run and wasn't the redesigned model. Runs perfect. I drive a 1200 mile trip 2 times a year and whistle past broken down fords on the side of the road dead all during the trips. You couldn't give me a Fusion after what I read on the edmunds forums. (3 years in a row?, are you serious?). I test drove a Fusion just for giggles. Every car runs nice brand new. But even then I felt something in the trans I didn't like. I'm a former ACE certified tech.
I've had one light bulb burn out in 10 years. Replaced some engine seals and the normal timing belt stuff every 100k miles. Still runs like new. Can't say enough about this car and all the money I've saved.
I've used to buy american as well. Never again. I feel for the OP. Why would he ever want another Ford product.
My current camry is a 2001 with a J vin no. It is the last year of that model run and wasn't the redesigned model. Runs perfect. I drive a 1200 mile trip 2 times a year and whistle past broken down fords on the side of the road dead all during the trips. You couldn't give me a Fusion after what I read on the edmunds forums. (3 years in a row?, are you serious?). I test drove a Fusion just for giggles. Every car runs nice brand new. But even then I felt something in the trans I didn't like. I'm a former ACE certified tech.
I've had one light bulb burn out in 10 years. Replaced some engine seals and the normal timing belt stuff every 100k miles. Still runs like new. Can't say enough about this car and all the money I've saved.
I've used to buy american as well. Never again. I feel for the OP. Why would he ever want another Ford product.
well first off it was 3.9 liter AJ-V8 DOHC Jaguar motor and not a ford based motor and jags are known not to be very reliable. While a ford modular V-8 on the other hand is very reliable stout motor and is in everything from luxury town cars and muscle mustangs to heavy duty pick-up trucks in some form or the other.
heck the modular ford V8's are even used in crown vitoria cop cars because they are so solid and trusty.
The AJ-V8 was designed to use Nikasil-coated cylinders rather than the more-common iron cylinder liners. However, like the BMW M60, high-sulphur fuel reacted with the Nikasil liners and caused engine failures. Jaguar replaced affected engines, and has used conventional cast-iron linings ever since.
Most Honda Accords sold in the US have been built in Marysville Ohio since 1982. Many other Hondas are built in the US or Canada.
Many Toyotas are built in the US.
You'll only buy/drive Japanese built Toyotas?
I agree Toyotas have had overall excellent reliability for a long time. But nothing stands still and it is well known that Toyota quality has slipped. Their own management admits it. Look at the interior of a current Camry. The parts are cheap and look it.
That's what I said, I'll only buy J vin toys. And I agree, the quality has slipped. That's because they let americans touch the cars during the building process. Even WITH a slight drop in quality, the still beat the pants off of anything american.
I was on a toyota lot the other day looking at an XB (J vin). I saw a corolla with a J vin on the lot. I haven't seen a new corolla with a J vin in a long time.Rav 4 is built strictly in Japan. Personally, I'm waiting until this comes out before even thinking about another car. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q1/2012_toyota_ft86_subaru_0846-feature
when you take great care of your car, and everything runs fine (although $400 parts are prone to breaking)... until your car doesn't crank one morning, and you take it to the shop.
the mechanic at the shop tells you that your crankshaft will not move, and that there are metal shards everywhere inside of the timing cover. You will need a new engine, since this one is finished.
and this is a 65,000 mile Lincoln vehicle. One of those "modern and dependable" Fords. One of those that all these people keep saying, "Are MUCH improved from the older, unreliable Fords."
Ford Motor Company, of course, just tells me I'm not under warranty anymore (it's an '03), so.... "too bad." what was that Ford slogan again? Quality is job 1? Build Ford tough?
That "new and reliable" Ford is basically cars with Mazda, Ford Germany or Volvo technology or with new Duratec engines (basically Porsche/Jaguar).
My current camry is a 2001 with a J vin no. It is the last year of that model run and wasn't the redesigned model. Runs perfect. I drive a 1200 mile trip 2 times a year and whistle past broken down fords on the side of the road dead all during the trips. You couldn't give me a Fusion after what I read on the edmunds forums. (3 years in a row?, are you serious?). I test drove a Fusion just for giggles. Every car runs nice brand new. But even then I felt something in the trans I didn't like. I'm a former ACE certified tech.
I've had one light bulb burn out in 10 years. Replaced some engine seals and the normal timing belt stuff every 100k miles. Still runs like new. Can't say enough about this car and all the money I've saved.
I've used to buy american as well. Never again. I feel for the OP. Why would he ever want another Ford product.
It seems you value reliability above all else. There ARE other factors for many of us when we choose a car. I don't mean to offend you - but reliable or not, I will likely never have a Camry in my household. It is a classic generic family sedan and there is almost nothing satisfying about it.
As for "J" cars above all else - I think you are acting completely on biases you have against American cars. I believe the data shows that they haven't been very good for the last 20 years, hence their poor sales and financial performance. But they have been improving for some time - Ford more than GM or Chrysler. We have a 2008 Fusion - and its interior is better finished than either an Accord or Camry. It has much better handling than any Camry, regardless of generation or place of manufacture. We owned a 2000 Ford F250 truck with the V10 gasoline engine. Although the interior was hardly "nice" it suffered only from a leaking vacuum hose over 120K miles. The brake pads were changed once.
Our 2006 Pilot and my 2006 Ridgeline have never required any repairs over 110K and 80K miles so far.
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A brand new Ford woudl hav a worranty and enythign that MIGHT go wrong woudl be fixed free. A 10 year old Toyota Camry woudl be a boring beater that very likely would still need work but you'd haev to pay for it and independent Toyota mechanics are as pricy as BMW ones.
