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Do you live in Seattle? Anyway, we were talking about young people.
Also not sure where you get your population figures but they are just plain wrong.
I can't say there is a single thing you and I have ever agreed on.
I don't live in Seattle but I do work out of Seattle and go back frequently. One trend that is real is that people aren't having kids till they're well past 30, if at all. So 40 is the new 30. Otherwise raising a family downtown without a car would be a miserable experience. For most large US cities, the urban core is home to the worst schools. The schools are better in the suburbs (private school is more expensive than a car), you can get more house, go to soccer practice, etc. Look around man. The burbs aren't shrinking by any means.
My population numbers aren't wrong. There's 330 Million people in the US, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, and Boston (we're throwing out LA because that is 100% car dependent) all add up to just 16 Million people. That's if 100% of the urban core doesn't own a car, which they clearly do.
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I don't live in Seattle but I do work out of Seattle and go back frequently. One trend that is real is that people aren't having kids till they're well past 30, if at all. So 40 is the new 30. Otherwise raising a family downtown without a car would be a miserable experience. For most large US cities, the urban core is home to the worst schools. The schools are better in the suburbs (private school is more expensive than a car), you can get more house, go to soccer practice, etc. Look around man. The burbs aren't shrinking by any means.
My population numbers aren't wrong. There's 330 Million people in the US, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, and Boston (we're throwing out LA because that is 100% car dependent) all add up to just 16 Million people. That's if 100% of the urban core doesn't own a car, which they clearly do.
I think you'll find the article in the Seattle Business Magazine that came out yesterday quite interesting. They discuss just this topic as it relates to Seattle's challenges with the Alaska Way replacement, the Convention Center remodel, congestion charging, decrease in the availability of parking, and how a large percentage of the workers in Seattle commute by public transportation or walk. This percentage will continue to increase if they have any hope of retaining their sanity during their commute.
I think you'll find the article in the Seattle Business Magazine that came out yesterday quite interesting. They discuss just this topic as it relates to Seattle's challenges with the Alaska Way replacement, the Convention Center remodel, congestion charging, decrease in the availability of parking, and how a large percentage of the workers in Seattle commute by public transportation or walk. This percentage will continue to increase if they have any hope of retaining their sanity during their commute.
For the short term maybe. Eventually businesses will just move out to the burbs. Either way, just because downtown Seattle does something doesn’t mean it’s a global trend. Check out cities like Atlanta, Houston, Miami, Orlando, and Dallas and you’ll see car ownership isn’t going away anytime soon.
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For the short term maybe. Eventually businesses will just move out to the burbs. Either way, just because downtown Seattle does something doesn’t mean it’s a global trend. Check out cities like Atlanta, Houston, Miami, Orlando, and Dallas and you’ll see car ownership isn’t going away anytime soon.
Yeah - no. I can't say I've seen any town in the South do much of anything right. All are building sprawl as fast as they can. No thanks. I spend some time in Dallas, Houston, and Orlando and can't leave fast enough. How many strip malls and cookie cutter developments farther and farther out do they need? I'll leave them to that mess.
Yeah - no. I can't say I've seen any town in the South do much of anything right. All are building sprawl as fast as they can. No thanks. I spend some time in Dallas, Houston, and Orlando and can't leave fast enough. How many strip malls and cookie cutter developments farther and farther out do they need? I'll leave them to that mess.
Expensive downtown property + cheaper surrounding property + desirable location= urban sprawl. I’m not sure if you aware of this or not, but Seattle is essentially urban sprawl from Everett to Tacoma and all packed with houses and cars. I think you might have some selective eyesight going on.
As far as doing anything right, I don’t know if that disconnected mess of a transit network is supposed to replace the car or if removing a major road running through town is really supposed to reduce traffic. The walk ways are kinda nice though and provide plenty of places for all those homeless people to hang out if that’s your thing.
One of the upsides to Seattle is the surrounding hiking and skiing opportunities, but I guess your coworkers are either not the outdoorsy type or take an Uber to the slopes.
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One of the upsides to Seattle is the surrounding hiking and skiing opportunities, but I guess your coworkers are either not the outdoorsy type or take an Uber to the slopes.
ReachNow and Car2Go car share cars with bike and ski racks work great. Usually Subaru Outbacks or CrossTreks, with the occasional Mini thrown in for good measure. Parked all over the city.
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I don't live in Seattle but I do work out of Seattle and go back frequently. One trend that is real is that people aren't having kids till they're well past 30, if at all. So 40 is the new 30. Otherwise raising a family downtown without a car would be a miserable experience. For most large US cities, the urban core is home to the worst schools. The schools are better in the suburbs (private school is more expensive than a car), you can get more house, go to soccer practice, etc. Look around man. The burbs aren't shrinking by any means.
My population numbers aren't wrong. There's 330 Million people in the US, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, and Boston (we're throwing out LA because that is 100% car dependent) all add up to just 16 Million people. That's if 100% of the urban core doesn't own a car, which they clearly do.
I work in Seattle and have family here. Of those I know in their (late) 30s:
Married with young kids and 3 cars living in Ballard
Married with young kids and 2 cars living in Ballard
Married with new baby and 2 cars in West Seattle
Married with two kids and two cars in West Seattle
Married, no kids, 2 cars in Capitol Hill
Some of the above do take the bus to work, at least some of the time though we have free parking in a garage at work. Also, one is 24, single with a car living in Ballard and drives to the office downtown every day. There are also several older (50's-60s) that live in Seattle and drive to work. The only one I know of that has no car lives in a condo a few blocks from the office, is 68 and uses Uber.
This is all just anecdotal and really proves nothing, of course.
ReachNow and Car2Go car share cars with bike and ski racks work great. Usually Subaru Outbacks or CrossTreks, with the occasional Mini thrown in for good measure. Parked all over the city.
Sounds like a cool niche, but as a posted earlier statistically millennials are still buying cars, so there’s really not much else to talk about.
I own three with my wife, but one of them is an old truck that was gifted and another other was a deal too good to pass up, and that is really the only reason I have it. The other is a Hyundai the insurance paid a good portion of after a car accident . . .
Without all the fortune I've had, even with a professional degree and a career, I'd be hesitant to spend money on cars too. Student loan repayment, for me at least, approaches the cost of my mortgage. With the compounding interest, that number sometimes grows even when payments are actually being made. Most of young people's problems can be attributed to student loans, which are simply stifling as anybody who has them knows, and a tepid economy that is always seemingly on the brink of recession.
I will concede I do not understand why some people do not want to drive when they turn 16, but I also live in an enormous urban sprawl sunbelt city where driving is a necessity even in the central city.
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