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Fires are serious and a defect that can result in one deserves attention. However, in the case of this Toyota recall the issue is lubricating the switch with the wrong lubricant. Given this information, this is a problem over which I would not lose any sleep.
In MustangEaters example, the car was jumped incorrectly. Another easily avoidable problem.
Automobiles are complicated machines and unfortunately the likelihood of buying a car that has some sort of issue (whether minor or severe) is relatively large. Both camps, pro import and pro domestic, have beat these issues to death in order to advance their agenda which in the grand scheme of things is so insignificant.
At least they are being honest and proactive in warning consumers. I own a VW and we have quite a few problems that should be recalled but most likely never will be since they aren't life threatening. For one, my back rear windshield fluid nozzle leaks. Also, I hear VW's are infamous for having the window regulators fail. I still love my VW, but I loved my Honda too. That Honda lasted 212K miles without too many repairs until I got rid of it myself.
I agree, as long as they come out with it whoever it is, its good. But as stated, I have seen posts about things lesser then this minor recall, that resulted in no accidents, and no injuries reported to the DOT and NTSB, and see people go nuts over it and crappy domestic quality, blah blah blah.
Then when a similar thing happens to certain cars, its the manufacturer being proactive and fixing it, not bad quality/engineering at all.
Cars are some of the most complex things we own, and despite our best efforts its the most reliable thing we own. What else do you own that you can pretty much neglect, and leave outdoors to the elements and will give you the equivalent of a troublefree 150k, and 10 years of life.
Fires are serious and a defect that can result in one deserves attention. However, in the case of this Toyota recall the issue is lubricating the switch with the wrong lubricant. Given this information, this is a problem over which I would not lose any sleep.
The window switch thing has been pending for awhile and a lot of people think the "improper lubrication" from mechanics after sale as a cause for the fire is pretty much BS. Honda has nearly the same issue and is recalling them based on water/liquid penetration from open windows or spills. Serisouly, how many times have you had/asked a mechanic to "lubricate my window switches". Sorry, no one is recalling 7.43 million cars and bearing all that expense over that. I think it's just their excuse for a bad part. If it was anything else it could have been handled with a TSB and notification not to lubricate.
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In MustangEaters example, the car was jumped incorrectly. Another easily avoidable problem.
I think his statement was a joke about how most stories about domestic cars lacking reliability generally go.
I don't know, I have been hearing about Japanese quality slipping, and I wouldn't shrug off a car fire, car fires are very very serious. My cousin's, brothers, uncle's, best friend's, roomate, had a 1987 Honda Accord, and once the battery died do to the horrible quality control at Honda, so when he jumpstarted it, they had the jumper cables reversed and it fried the car and started a fire that burnt the car to the ground with his new Iphone 5(total loss) in it.
I would never buy a Japanese car because of situations like this.
Your logic is completely idiotic. You indict all the cars from one country because of this?
I think the very worst safety related recalls in history are associated with the Ford Pinto and the Ford Explorer. I think every one knows the Pinto could (and did) explode when hit in the rear because of its poor fuel tank design.
8 million Fords were recalled because their vehicle might not shut off after the ignition was turned off. The vehicles sometimes burst into flames.
Does this mean all American vehicles, Ford or other brands, are bad?
The window switch thing has been pending for awhile and a lot of people think the "improper lubrication" from mechanics after sale as a cause for the fire is pretty much BS. Honda has nearly the same issue and is recalling them based on water/liquid penetration from open windows or spills. Serisouly, how many times have you had/asked a mechanic to "lubricate my window switches". Sorry, no one is recalling 7.43 million cars and bearing all that expense over that. I think it's just their excuse for a bad part. If it was anything else it could have been handled with a TSB and notification not to lubricate.
I think his statement was a joke about how most stories about domestic cars lacking reliability generally go.
As far as the switches, I can't say either way with absolute certainty. You might be right but recall issues have been getting increasing coverage through media outlets over the past few years and manufacturers are getting quicker on their toes when it comes to issuing recalls. Maybe the wrong lubricant was applied at the factory or the switch design is prone to sticking and owners are coming in for lubricant at a higher rate than other models.
As for the joke, maybe my humor detector is acting up today lol.
Your logic is completely idiotic. You indict all the cars from one country because of this?
I think the very worst safety related recalls in history are associated with the Ford Pinto and the Ford Explorer. I think every one knows the Pinto could (and did) explode when hit in the rear because of its poor fuel tank design.
8 million Fords were recalled because their vehicle might not shut off after the ignition was turned off. The vehicles sometimes burst into flames.
Does this mean all American vehicles, Ford or other brands, are bad?
Again, it was a joke...most stories of how unreliable American cars are tend to go...
My brother had a friend back in 2006 whose cousin had a 1995 Chevy Cavalier with 140k miles on it. They took it to the movies once and when they came out the starter had failed and they were stranded for a couple hours. This is why I will never buy an American car again.
My brother had a friend back in 2006 whose cousin had a 1995 Chevy Cavalier with 140k miles on it. They took it to the movies once and when they came out the starter had failed and they were stranded for a couple hours. This is why I will never buy an American car again.
What a dumb thing to say. You should be dragged behind a herd of stampeding elephants and then drowned in a sea of drity diapers. One instance makes you hate all American Cars? Don't you know all American cars are better than Japanese, becuase I once had a 1979 Honda that the frame rusted out and cracked. Have you ever seen a 2012 Cadillac with a rusted out frame? No! Any american car is better than any foreign car. Faster too.
Your brother is foolish too - it only takes 45 minutes at the most to change out a starter on a 1995 cavalier (I of course can do it in 8 minutes becuase I am better than any other human being. Why would he wait around for 2 hours? (Scorn scorn scorn).
Gotta love CD.
(Some people jst cannot comprehend sarcasm. There are studies about this.)
Years ago automobile manufacturers would get away with numerous defects on their automobiles. But nowadays because of the liabilities involved, automobile manufacturers can't take chances, thus the recalls.
I don't know about you, but I am happier with a company that takes the time to recall any of it's vehicles than one that doesn't.
I agree, as long as they come out with it whoever it is, its good. But as stated, I have seen posts about things lesser then this minor recall, that resulted in no accidents, and no injuries reported to the DOT and NTSB, and see people go nuts over it and crappy domestic quality, blah blah blah.
Then when a similar thing happens to certain cars, its the manufacturer being proactive and fixing it, not bad quality/engineering at all.
Exactly. We already see this in this thread...
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At least they are being honest and proactive in warning consumers.
i don't know, i have been hearing about japanese quality slipping, and i wouldn't shrug off a car fire, car fires are very very serious. My cousin's, brothers, uncle's, best friend's, roomate, had a 1987 honda accord, and once the battery died do to the horrible quality control at honda, so when he jumpstarted it, they had the jumper cables reversed and it fried the car and started a fire that burnt the car to the ground with his new iphone 5(total loss) in it.
I would never buy a japanese car because of situations like this.
lol
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