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I'm not going to read all this silliness, but I DO have to wonder:
What would the OP have thought when Ford brought out the Model A to replace the Model T?
GOOD HEAVENS!
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I think he would have been that guy yelling "GET A HORSE!"
Actually, I've found they generally have the same definition of freedom. It's just that the possibility of the shoe being on the other foot never enters their mind.
Bit off topic, but I certainly know it's possible, judging from discussions I've had with people who have drastically different political and life views than me, I can safely say our definition of freedom is drastically different.
In my opinion, the most prudent argument in this case though, should be effectiveness and necessity.
Will a measure like this have a significant impact on traffic fatalities?
Looking at the data, I fail to see how it would.
Given that there are other measures that can be taken that have been proven to work, why even entertain the idea?
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so if a car was built to mechanically only go 85 mph, what happens when your driving on a long steep grade and the car doesn't have enough power to even reach the speed limit?
so if a car was built to mechanically only go 85 mph, what happens when your driving on a long steep grade and the car doesn't have enough power to even reach the speed limit?
So we weren't talking about a simple mechanical governor to limit maximum speed to 85 mph? If not, that would really really suck...nothing like going 25 mph up a steep grade cause your small displacement, non-turbocharged vehicle can't make it up the hill.
To pull 85 mph on a flat surface, how much horsepower do we need? I'm guessing about 70 horsepower, which would be pretty enimic in the mountains, unless we had a minimum of a turbo normalizing engine.
Horrible analogy. Beer has a use for people. A prohibition of alcohol is another debate. Guns also have a use.
A car going over 85mph has no use. It's against the law. It's proven to be dangerous. Force=mass x acceleration and accidents are inevitable at all speeds. Bigger speeds= more consequence. I'm not saying ban cars. I'm saying make them so they can't break the law. It's a completely different idea. We already have laws. Why not just mechanically change street legal cars to save lives and give law enforcement a break to deal with other crimes and distracted driving ect.
I think I'd hate to get stuck behind you on a one lane road.
Use of the 85th percentile speed acknowledges that 15% of the drivers are traveling above a speed that is reasonable and proper. It is to this 15% that enforcement action is directed. Studies have shown that these are the drivers who cause many of the crashes and have the worst driving records.
Modified speed controls are utilized in areas requiring speed limits between the statutory freeway speed limits, 55 mph maximum speed limits on state and county roadways, and the 25 mph prima facie speed limits in business and residential areas. These modified speed limits are established by administrative action based upon a traffic engineering study. The limits can be set only by agencies having the legal authority and jurisdiction over the respective roadway (MDOT and county road commissions working with MSP). These modified speed limits are referred to as absolute speed limitsand are not to be exceeded regardless of conditions.
Use of the 85th percentile speed acknowledges that 15% of the drivers are traveling above a speed that is reasonable and proper. It is to this 15% that enforcement action is directed. Studies have shown that these are the drivers who cause many of the crashes and have the worst driving records.
Modified speed controls are utilized in areas requiring speed limits between the statutory freeway speed limits, 55 mph maximum speed limits on state and county roadways, and the 25 mph prima facie speed limits in business and residential areas. These modified speed limits are established by administrative action based upon a traffic engineering study. The limits can be set only by agencies having the legal authority and jurisdiction over the respective roadway (MDOT and county road commissions working with MSP). These modified speed limits are referred to as absolute speed limitsand are not to be exceeded regardless of conditions.
The politicians in a given community do NOT post speeds limits based on state law. For example, last year a street in Lansing, Michigan (the state capital) had a speed limit illegally underposted at 25mph and this road was a ticket haven for the local police (revenue generation). When the local newspaper ran a front page article about this scam, the speed limit was suddenly increased to 35mph within 1 week of the newspaper article. Gotta love politicians !
By the way, Michigan has non-freeways with speed limits posted above 55mph due to the 85th% law.
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