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Old 12-20-2014, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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According to a new study out of Chicago red light cameras cause more accidents than they prevent, something many people have been claiming for years.

Red light cameras do not make driving safer - UPI.com

The study found there was a 15 percent reduction in cars crashing at a right angle, but rear-end crashes increased 22 percent in the presence of red light cameras, meaning there was an overall 5 percent increase in crashes.

Not good, but that's what people have been saying happens.

Chicago mayor Rahm Emmanuel is currently trying to make it so every traffic light in Chicago will have a camera.

Of course he is because as everyone knows red light cameras are about generating revenue, not safety.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Supporters of red light cameras don't care about rear end crashes. A car is wrecked, occupants get injured. No money is coming out of the city treasury to fix the car or pay medical bills. But they can tell you how much money the camera is making for the city. Cameras are installed at the highest traffic count intersections
In Florida, over a million dollars was spread around the capitol building by red light camera companies and their lobbyist teams to supporters of the law. A couple of Reps and Senators introduced bills to fix the law but they didn't even get hearings. Some of the items introduced was fixing the 'right turn' problem where cities send out a violation notice even if you stop before turning but after the white line. The State gets 40% of the revenue from this one. Another item was adding a minimum of 1 second to the yellow time. Studies have shown that a red light pass occurs in less than one second, 90% of the time. They don't want that fix either.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:45 PM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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The study found there was a 15 percent reduction in cars crashing at a right angle, but rear-end crashes increased 22 percent in the presence of red light cameras, meaning there was an overall 5 percent increase in crashes.
The only thing red light cameras are effective at is making money for townships. It is method to rob citizens IMO. That being said, be careful with those stats, their assumption is not correct. 15% drop in t-bones vs a 22% increase in rear end collisions does not necessarily mean net 5%, the percentages are relevant only to the amount of each collsion type, not all collisions combined. I would be interested in actual differences of amounts of collsion types.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:49 PM
 
Location: NY
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I have read about townships decreasing the length of time a light remains "yellow" to increase the number of red light tickets. To me, this makes the intent clear. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Old 12-20-2014, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Many cities have been caught reducing the yellow time at camera locations in violation of their states uniform traffic laws that state what the yellow time should be. States have adopted the National Traffic Engineers standards that set yellow time. An example is that in a 45 mph zone, the time should be 4.3 seconds. Reducing that time increases revenue. Towns in the Tampa area reduced the yellow time. When they had to set the lights back to normal, revenue dropped. Easy fix to that situation. One city is adding to the amount of cameras to make up the difference in lost revenue.
Are there still people who believe a politician when they say 'It's for your safety'?
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Old 12-20-2014, 09:56 PM
 
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One study. Its certainly cut down on a nearby local accident arte at a intersection nearby . Its got to be obvious tho and known. Might be less effective in large city.Anyone following at the require assured distance would have no problems if paying attention.
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:07 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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Amazingly we actually got rid of all of ours in the city after studies showed exactly that- more accidents and just a profit center for the administrators of the system (not even the city) so rare to actually be successful in ramping back some of these oppressive laws- especially in California.
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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Supporters of red light cameras don't care about rear end crashes. A car is wrecked, occupants get injured. No money is coming out of the city treasury to fix the car or pay medical bills. But they can tell you how much money the camera is making for the city. Cameras are installed at the highest traffic count intersections
In Florida, over a million dollars was spread around the capitol building by red light camera companies and their lobbyist teams to supporters of the law. A couple of Reps and Senators introduced bills to fix the law but they didn't even get hearings. Some of the items introduced was fixing the 'right turn' problem where cities send out a violation notice even if you stop before turning but after the white line. The State gets 40% of the revenue from this one. Another item was adding a minimum of 1 second to the yellow time. Studies have shown that a red light pass occurs in less than one second, 90% of the time. They don't want that fix either.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
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The only thing red light cameras are effective at is making money for townships. It is method to rob citizens IMO. That being said, be careful with those stats, their assumption is not correct. 15% drop in t-bones vs a 22% increase in rear end collisions does not necessarily mean net 5%, the percentages are relevant only to the amount of each collsion type, not all collisions combined. I would be interested in actual differences of amounts of collsion types.
what these guys said.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:05 AM
 
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It's sad that we need red light cameras at all. Why can't people just use better judgement and not run the friggin light???? It's not that hard!!!!!
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Old 12-21-2014, 05:26 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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New Jersey finally woke up and after the 5 year pilot on red light cameras pulled the plug and said it's not working.

As of Dec 16, 2015 (just 5 days ago) the whole program was killed in the State.
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