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Old 08-02-2018, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The Dodge Promaster is a FWD van.

I could see this doing well with painters, supers, handymen, lawn guys, etc. Basically anyone that carries awkward but not heavy equipment. Pretty much like the old Ranger.

I know there are people here that say it's not a real pickup or it has no utility because real men use their pickup to haul 26,000 lbs up 8% grade washed out dirt roads, but in the real world, there is certainly people who will value the smaller size, better fuel, all while still being able to load dirty things in the back.
The contracting world will never look the same after the Econoline. Ladders overhanging these little transit "trucks" are comical.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Actually the Nissan Frontier is a mid-size truck now. They used to be smaller, years ago, but got upsized. There is no small compact truck on the market today. The new Ranger is a mid-size.
Frontier is closest to what Dakota once was, maybe still a little smaller.
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:37 PM
 
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Yes american automakers do know what’s sell and they did have the Ranger and the S-10 small pickups but guess what they did not sell. They are not going to retool an assembly plant to sell them to the few people who still want them. They have to sell over a 100,000 a month to make it worth while and the sales are not there for that size pickup again at least for the big3 automakers. The new Ranger is going to be bigger than the older version. They build what the people want and full size pickups are it. And do you think that Ford or GM would of stop making them if they were selling well.
I did not limit the word “manufacturer” only to American-headquartered brands. Nor do millions of other buyers.
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:52 AM
 
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The contracting world will never look the same after the Econoline. Ladders overhanging these little transit "trucks" are comical.
The Transit is a full size van. The Transitconnect is that minivan looking thing, and their popularity suggests that there is a market for smaller utility vehicles.

I have a Transit and it's way nicer than the Econoline in just about every way except looks. Better mpg, more spacious, better handling, etc. The Ecoboost engine is amazing.
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Old 08-03-2018, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Frontier is closest to what Dakota once was, maybe still a little smaller.
The Frontier never came with a 5.2 V8 like the Dakota did and the Dakota was a bigger midsize pickup.
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Old 08-03-2018, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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I did not limit the word “manufacturer” only to American-headquartered brands. Nor do millions of other buyers.

That about all you have expect Nissan and Toyota their isn’t any other small pickups manufacturer and their won’t be either because the demand for them is not strong enough. Don’t you think other manufacturers would be selling small compact pickups here if the market was strong enough, the market isn’t strong enough for other automakers to try and compete with the American pickup business they know they can’t compete wit the American automakers when it comes to making and selling a pickup truck, the sales numbers prove that. Just because you have a few thousand people who want a compact pickup isn’t going to persuade a automaker to start building a compact pickup. Americans want full size pickups the sales numbers prove that, the F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the world.

The Ford F-Series isn’t just the best-selling vehicle line in America, it's tops around the world.

According to data from market research firm JATO Dynamics, Ford sold 519,000 F-Series trucks globally in the first six months of 2017.

Granted, over 95 percent of them were sold in the United States, but the total puts it ahead of the Toyota Corolla, which rang up 472,000 sales worldwide, despite being more popular than the F-Series in many countries.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Bring back the Subaru Brat!
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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The Transit is a full size van. The Transitconnect is that minivan looking thing, and their popularity suggests that there is a market for smaller utility vehicles.

I have a Transit and it's way nicer than the Econoline in just about every way except looks. Better mpg, more spacious, better handling, etc. The Ecoboost engine is amazing.
I would agree. My father in law has one of the first full size Transit 350s, tows crawlers, front end loaders, etc all over the place. Tows well and still gets great mileage. His also is having zero corrosion issues. His previous Econoline E350 van started rusting on the body in 2 years and the frame was unrepairable in 7 years. That should not happen in the 21st century, even in the winter salt zone.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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That about all you have expect Nissan and Toyota their isn’t any other small pickups manufacturer and their won’t be either because the demand for them is not strong enough. Don’t you think other manufacturers would be selling small compact pickups here if the market was strong enough, the market isn’t strong enough for other automakers to try and compete with the American pickup business they know they can’t compete wit the American automakers when it comes to making and selling a pickup truck, the sales numbers prove that. Just because you have a few thousand people who want a compact pickup isn’t going to persuade a automaker to start building a compact pickup. Americans want full size pickups the sales numbers prove that, the F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the world.

The Ford F-Series isn’t just the best-selling vehicle line in America, it's tops around the world.

According to data from market research firm JATO Dynamics, Ford sold 519,000 F-Series trucks globally in the first six months of 2017.

Granted, over 95 percent of them were sold in the United States, but the total puts it ahead of the Toyota Corolla, which rang up 472,000 sales worldwide, despite being more popular than the F-Series in many countries.
Those number for the F-150 are certainly valid. Just remember, according to Ford's own sales numbers 50% of those truck sales are fleet, not to you and me. Most Corollas are sold individually. Fleet buyers buy on price. That's about it.
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Old 08-03-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Those number for the F-150 are certainly valid. Just remember, according to Ford's own sales numbers 50% of those truck sales are fleet, not to you and me. Most Corollas are sold individually. Fleet buyers buy on price. That's about it.
Well a sale is a sale i don’t see a big demand for fleet sales of the Carolla also you know that the F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the USA for over 30 yrs even without fleet sales. I look at a sale as a sale regardless if it’s going to a company or the consumer it’s still a vehicle on the road and money in the bank for Ford. And it shows the popularity of full size pickups in the world.
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