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Again, I have asked how much the total cost of running the line, purchasing the charger and installing it would have cost the seller of the house. This may give an idea of the value the seller is attributing to it when including it in the sale. I don't believe he would make such a big deal about it in the listing if it was only $1000; a decent refrigerator or stove would be worth more than that as an upgrade and appeal to a much larger segment of the buyer market.
To put a NEMA 15-40 plug in your garage will run between $100-$2000. The price variance depends on how long the run is from your electric panel to the wall where you want the outlet. Your panel can be right in the garage, or in the basement in the opposite end of the house.
A NEMA 15-40 is a universal standard outlet. With it, you can charge your car by simply plugging the charging adaptor that comes with the car. You can also use if for RV's, etc.
The Tesla wall connector that the homeowner you've mentioned has is $500. That is normally hard wired - so instead of having a NEMA 15-50 outlet, the line feeds right into the wall connector. It's nice and clean, but since it's a Tesla accessory - it can only be used to charge Teslas. You'd have to take the wall connector off and replace it with a 15-40 outlet if you have a different EV or use if for other purposes.
So - you're looking at roughly between $600 - $2500 for this feature (pulling the line and installing the Wall Connector).
Depending on the cost of the house, it's likely not going to be a significant amount. I think it's more of a marketing tactic to draw attention to the listing. But, if you have a Tesla - it does potentially minimize the hassle of having the line run. Not sure if this neighborhood is predominantly 2nd/vacation homes, but all else equal, knowing this one already has a charger may tip the decision scale.
To put a NEMA 15-40 plug in your garage will run between $100-$2000. The price variance depends on how long the run is from your electric panel to the wall where you want the outlet. Your panel can be right in the garage, or in the basement in the opposite end of the house.
A NEMA 15-40 is a universal standard outlet. With it, you can charge your car by simply plugging the charging adaptor that comes with the car. You can also use if for RV's, etc.
The Tesla wall connector that the homeowner you've mentioned has is $500. That is normally hard wired - so instead of having a NEMA 15-50 outlet, the line feeds right into the wall connector. It's nice and clean, but since it's a Tesla accessory - it can only be used to charge Teslas. You'd have to take the wall connector off and replace it with a 15-40 outlet if you have a different EV or use if for other purposes.
So - you're looking at roughly between $600 - $2500 for this feature (pulling the line and installing the Wall Connector).
Depending on the cost of the house, it's likely not going to be a significant amount. I think it's more of a marketing tactic to draw attention to the listing. But, if you have a Tesla - it does potentially minimize the hassle of having the line run. Not sure if this neighborhood is predominantly 2nd/vacation homes, but all else equal, knowing this one already has a charger may tip the decision scale.
Thank you; I was thinking the setup was considerably more expensive. But I can see it tipping the scale for only one percent of buyers. Probably better to feature the upgraded kitchen.
Someone who wants to drive 400 miles without stopping for hours to "fuel up."
The 400 mile range target hasn’t been hit yet with the closest being 370 miles EPA rating for the Model S. The charging is closer as the V3 supercharger can add 75 miles in 5 minutes. Both range and charging rates have been improving pretty quickly, so what you’re asking will likely get there in the next few years, maybe sooner, on both counts. However, most people don’t have usage patterns like that with any great frequency, so it remains to be seen if manufacturers really do want to target 400 miles range ahead of other factors. Sure, it becomes an easier argument as energy density and capacity per dollar continues to go up, but still they might opt to put greater emphasis on other parameters.
The 400 mile range target hasn’t been hit yet with the closest being 370 miles EPA rating for the Model S. The charging is closer as the V3 supercharger can add 75 miles in 5 minutes. Both range and charging rates have been improving pretty quickly, so what you’re asking will likely get there in the next few years, maybe sooner, on both counts. However, most people don’t have usage patterns like that with any great frequency, so it remains to be seen if manufacturers really do want to target 400 miles range ahead of other factors. Sure, it becomes an easier argument as energy density and capacity per dollar continues to go up, but still they might opt to put greater emphasis on other parameters.
So, if someday a 400 mile range is made a reality, one would still need to stop for a half hour every eight hours, if an adequate network of these superchargers were available, if they were spaced no more than about 25 miles apart along major roadways such as the interstate highway system.
That will never satisfy the needs of many travelers.
So, if someday a 400 mile range is made a reality, one would still need to stop for a half hour every eight hours, if an adequate network of these superchargers were available, if they were spaced no more than about 25 miles apart along major roadways such as the interstate highway system.
That will never satisfy the needs of many travelers.
The current EV is designed for 80% of car drivers. The other 20% can drive gas-powered cars. In San Diego, gas is about $4/gallon. In the beach areas it's $5/gallon. Sun light is free. Pick your poison.
So, if someday a 400 mile range is made a reality, one would still need to stop for a half hour every eight hours, if an adequate network of these superchargers were available, if they were spaced no more than about 25 miles apart along major roadways such as the interstate highway system.
That will never satisfy the needs of many travelers.
I’m following. Add to that some areas people have to wait 30-40 min for a supercharger plug to become free.
The current EV is designed for 80% of car drivers. The other 20% can drive gas-powered cars. In San Diego, gas is about $4/gallon. In the beach areas it's $5/gallon. Sun light is free. Pick your poison.
Harvesting sunlight is expensive. Using Tesla's calculator my driving patterns would result in a fuel saving of $800 - 900 a year and present problems two or three times a year when I take road trips. The cost of renting an alternate vehicles for those trips would result in a net loss, not to mention the higher cost of the EV and the electrical work necessary.
So, if someday a 400 mile range is made a reality, one would still need to stop for a half hour every eight hours, if an adequate network of these superchargers were available, if they were spaced no more than about 25 miles apart along major roadways such as the interstate highway system.
That will never satisfy the needs of many travelers.
Like I said, I don’t think that’s a frequent use case for most people. However, the scenario you’re painting is also pretty easily within reach over the next several years. Recall the difference between the release of the first gen Nissan Leaf in 2010 and the second gen in 2017 (model year 2011 and 2018). That’s a massive difference though still not compelling enough to most. The range has essentially doubled, the price has stayed the same (or lower with inflation), charge rates are an order of magnitude as there wasn’t even fast charging at the time and far more ubiquitous.
It’s 2019 and things like dollars per kWh of capacity and increase in fast charging rates are actually improving faster than most have projected. Batteries are, after all, the most important component and the markets investing in such is far larger than just automakers. The parameters you’re asking for, while I think is more than what the vast majority use cases are, are themselves pretty likely to be reached in the next several years if not sooner. So why the switch especially if you’re someone who either does not believe in or does not care about global climate change or tailpipe emissions concentrated in urban areas? Well, there are a number of other factors that will weigh in favor of EVs like reduced maintenance costs, lower cost of operation per mile, the ability to start the day or end of work with full range, more immediately available torque, greater interior volume for the same exterior space and eventually lower base costs at point of purchase.
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I still don't get why companies don't focus on a very good hybrid approach. Current Toyota Priuses are very practical cars and gets over 50mpg. The Volt gets over 100mpg with charging. If companies focus on a building a good plugin hybrid, it will offer the best of both worlds.
I can drive close to 500mi on my Prius with just 8 gallons of gas, it takes less than 5mins to refuel a Prius. Any Tesla could only get 1/2 of that during the summer with the A/C running and had to stop for another 1-2 hours to charge up before they can go another 200mi. 1-2 hours of stoppage is a huge setback during long distance travel.
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