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Old 09-22-2019, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Amazon orders 100,000 vans from Rivian.


Amazon orders 100,000 electric vans from Plymouth Michigan auto company Rivian
https://www.clickondetroit.com/autom...company-rivian.
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Old 09-22-2019, 06:11 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Amazon also invested in Rivian, so this definitely makes a lot of sense for them.
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Old 09-22-2019, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Wow, even for Amazon, that's a big order. I know that increasingly, they've been moving into the shipping business themselves and moving away from using FedEx and UPS. A major motivation cited by Bezos for this purchase is actually the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

P.S. I didn't know this, but apparently Amazon has a committment to changing its business to be more environmentally responsible, and this big EV order is only part of the picture. Apparently, their employees are helping to pressure the company to move faster. This commitment to using green energy to support operations is actually very impressive. "Currently, Amazon gets about 40% of its energy from renewable sources with 15 utility-scale solar and wind farms. According to Bezos, that will move to 80% by 2024 and 100% by 2030."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottsn.../#36473f655654

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Old 09-22-2019, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Dayton OH
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EV fleet local delivery trucks make a lot of sense. All the trucks start and end their route from a fleet lot that will have recharge plugs at every parking spot. The fleet owner can make a contract with the power company to buy power at night time low rates instead of daytime peak rates. Local delivery trucks are tough on internal combustion engines with frequent start stop, motor on and off. EV trucks will need less routine maintenance too, which will be a big savings over the long term, in spite of a bigger up front cost. No oil changes, no transmission problems, no cooling system issues are a big deal.

If this works out good for Amazon, FedEX, UPS, DHL and maybe even USPS will follow suit with a similar approach. Internal combustion vehicles will probably stay in service for the long distance rural delivery routes if the range of EV is not enough.

Now Amazon needs to work on how to reduce the packaging waste from the shipping boxes and internal stuffing. I don't order on line very often, but there have been times when a huge box has arrived containing just a few small items. Maybe the packaging center ran out of smaller sized boxes?
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:43 PM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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Now Amazon needs to work on how to reduce the packaging waste from the shipping boxes and internal stuffing. I don't order on line very often, but there have been times when a huge box has arrived containing just a few small items. Maybe the packaging center ran out of smaller sized boxes?
Happened to me ...

Box was delivered and was rather huge. Inside ..., one CD and a lot of paper stuffing!
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Now Amazon needs to work on how to reduce the packaging waste from the shipping boxes and internal stuffing. I don't order on line very often, but there have been times when a huge box has arrived containing just a few small items. Maybe the packaging center ran out of smaller sized boxes?
A company at the forefront of logistics doesn't just haphazardly make packaging decisions. Those decisions are driven is large measure by how to most efficiently store, package, sort, and organize packages for their various methods of transport and delivery. In short, packaging efficiency is optimized on a system-wide basis, not on an individual-item basis.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Rivian will make an actual profit off these vans.

Large SUVs and trucks are the preferred form factor these days.
Much larger fuel savings can be had by electrifying these and commercial vehicles.

Remains to be seen if their business model works, but money won't be an issue if Amazon's behind them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon eventually buys them.
All automakers should be concerned if that happens because Bezos won't repeat Tesla's mistakes.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Rivian will make an actual profit off these vans.

Large SUVs and trucks are the preferred form factor these days.
Much larger fuel savings can be had by electrifying these and commercial vehicles.

Remains to be seen if their business model works, but money won't be an issue if Amazon's behind them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon eventually buys them.
All automakers should be concerned if that happens because Bezos won't repeat Tesla's mistakes.
Amazon has invested heavily already in Rivian. So has Ford, and Cox automotive.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Amazon has invested heavily already in Rivian. So has Ford, and Cox automotive.
I mean buy them out, not invest in them.
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