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For electric to really take off costs will have to be brought down to a point where the electric costs less than the gas version, new. Or...as is happening in Europe the government gets involved and tips the scales.
I recently purchased a Honda Clarity PHEV over an Accord or Accord Hybrid. After Federal Tax rebates, the Clarity was the most affordable of the lot, and to date I've averaged about 200mpg in 50mi round trip to work daily. We're rapidly approaching the point of parity.
I recently purchased a Honda Clarity PHEV over an Accord or Accord Hybrid. After Federal Tax rebates, the Clarity was the most affordable of the lot, and to date I've averaged about 200mpg in 50mi round trip to work daily. We're rapidly approaching the point of parity.
Yeah, the difference between hybrid and not is becoming negligible. Just the full electrics where the disparity is...for now.
A 2020 RAV4 LE AWD - $27,250 - 27/34/30
2020 RAV4 LE AWD Hybrid - $28,100 - 41/38/40
And the hybrid is faster. Why choose the traditional?
Dismissing known reliability and fire statistics and flaws within the company's logistics and dealer network, while memorizing foreign sales stats doesn't constitute as reliable research and that should be pointed out.
Proving your fire stats were wrong and 10 x less likely to occur and providing reliability stats that show you were wrong again, while you were off by a factor of 4 in international sales, a factor of 2 domestically and over a year on key figure doesn't constitute any research. I research, not memorize, you do neither.
Yeah, the difference between hybrid and not is becoming negligible. Just the full electrics where the disparity is...for now.
A 2020 RAV4 LE AWD - $27,250 - 27/34/30
2020 RAV4 LE AWD Hybrid - $28,100 - 41/38/40
And the hybrid is faster. Why choose the traditional?
That's a great point from both of you. If we're talking first owner to trade when it hits 50K, makes almost no sense to not get the hybrid. Now if your plan is to keep it till the wheels fall off, have to factor in hybrid battery replacement vs cost of fuel on the conventional model.
That's a great point from both of you. If we're talking first owner to trade when it hits 50K, makes almost no sense to not get the hybrid. Now if your plan is to keep it till the wheels fall off, have to factor in hybrid battery replacement vs cost of fuel on the conventional model.
Yeah though that seems to be an overblown issue. As this article shows and Prius forums show they can easily go 200k with a negligible impact on battery performance. Also the good point that many articles scare you with the quotes or new battery replacement in the thousands from dealers. But if you have a 200,000 mile car and the transmission goes are you putting in a brand new one at the dealer or getting a used one from a junk yard and having an independent mechanic handle it? Not sure about others but the Prius battery swap is a relatively easy DIY. Just remove the trunk plastics, unplug, replace. Used battery can be had around $500. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...d-up/index.htm
My biggest gripe with EV's particularly Tesla is the battery needing to be replaced appx. every 8-years which when you look at the cost of a battery for a ie; Model S is $5-7k without labor fees. So essentially you're paying the MSRP of $75k (Base) and an additional $875/yr which to me at-least it just doesn't make it worth it.
If they were PHEV then maybe i would consider but as it stands, I think you're better off putting your money into a less depreciating asset lol.
Tesla's warranty their battery for 8 years (the terms are a bit more complicated as it has to do with capacity loss exceeding a certain amount). There's no maintenance schedule to replace the battery at any interval (time or mileage). Albeit the expected life of the battery is stated a 500K miles.
Certainly things can go wrong and you may be out a large sum - but it's no different than having to replace an engine on an ICE due to an issue.
As with anything else - one's experience is based on lots of factors, including maintenance and use characteristics.
That is the major difference between a Hybrid and a Plug in battery only E.V.
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Yeah though that seems to be an overblown issue. As this article shows and Prius forums show they can easily go 200k with a negligible impact on battery performance. Also the good point that many articles scare you with the quotes or new battery replacement in the thousands from dealers. But if you have a 200,000 mile car and the transmission goes are you putting in a brand new one at the dealer or getting a used one from a junk yard and having an independent mechanic handle it? Not sure about others but the Prius battery swap is a relatively easy DIY. Just remove the trunk plastics, unplug, replace. Used battery can be had around $500. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...d-up/index.htm
That is the major difference between a Hybrid and a Plug in battery only E.V. You have 2 complete systems in a hybrid. The Internal combustion engine and the battery powered motor. The I.C.E. engine with proper care is easily capable of 200,000 plus miles with just recommend maintenance. Then you also have the electric motor and its traction battery, also having it's own possibilities. Hybrid's are in a class onto themselves.
Gas pumps for years have been required to have backup power. At worst in an emergency, a backup generator and an electrician will bring a gas station back on line at a minimal cost in a short time.
Tell that to people in New Jersey who had to drive to Pennsylvania to get gas after Hurricane Sandy hit in 2012. There is no such law in New Jersey, so if you're talking about a specific state, you should say so.
Yeah, the difference between hybrid and not is becoming negligible. Just the full electrics where the disparity is...for now.
A 2020 RAV4 LE AWD - $27,250 - 27/34/30
2020 RAV4 LE AWD Hybrid - $28,100 - 41/38/40
And the hybrid is faster. Why choose the traditional?
It's actually an $800 difference when you consider the hybrids all come in AWD.
What's odd is that Toyota underestimated the popularity of the hybrids and there have been delays in getting them to dealers.
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That is the major difference between a Hybrid and a Plug in battery only E.V.
