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Old 12-29-2019, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Germany and other European countries are mandating electric vehicles. That's why VW and others are retooling to produce them. Government is taking away the freedom of choice, and artificially driving the market.

https://electrek.co/2016/06/14/all-n...-germany-2030/
China is the largest overall market and will be the largest EV market. VW is #1 in market share there... 18.5%
When did China offer freedom of anything?

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Old 12-29-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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China is the largest overall market and will be the largest EV market. VW is #1 in market share there... 18.5%

Which is counterintuitive as China is very dependent on COAL and building more coal fired electric generation plants all the time, so it can't be a "carbon" thing.


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When did China offer freedom of anything?

True. Perhaps their culture and society aren't comfortable with freedom. Some people like to be ruled I guess.
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Old 12-29-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors..._supercharger/

I know this is one Supercharging station that has issue but it is the perfect example what I've said in the past that we don't have enough charging infrastructure to support the amount of EVs that will be on the roads across the country. Maybe they need to implement some type of time limit to under 15mins just to get people on the roads instead of sitting there waiting...
Charging lines like the 1973-4 and 1979 gas lines?
Does this linked article (link) bring back memories? That will be the result of this mindless dash towards EV before an infrastructure is ready. And at no carbon savings since electricity doesn't grown on trees.
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Old 12-29-2019, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Which is counterintuitive as China is very dependent on COAL and building more coal fired electric generation plants all the time, so it can't be a "carbon" thing.
It's a sales thing. Automakers are global corporations... if there is global demand (in VW's case, their two largest markets) they will build it.
GM is out of U.S. tax credits and have no presence in Europe, but you can bet they will have EVs.
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors..._supercharger/

I know this is one Supercharging station that has issue but it is the perfect example what I've said in the past that we don't have enough charging infrastructure to support the amount of EVs that will be on the roads across the country.
When the early automotive pioneers (Chrysler, Henry Ford etc.) first started building masses of cars and made them affordable, did we have enough gas stations, auto repair shops, etc.?

Of course not. But they soon grew to meet the demand. So will charging stations, power lines etc.
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:15 PM
 
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Just FYI, this charging station is the same one that had the big backup around Thanksgiving.

Not that it's not an issue, but keep in mind we are talking about a few charging stations btw LA and SF that are congested around winter holiday travel. Not some pandemic. More chargers will definitely need to be built.
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Old 12-29-2019, 03:15 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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When the early automotive pioneers (Chrysler, Henry Ford etc.) first started building masses of cars and made them affordable, did we have enough gas stations, auto repair shops, etc.?

Of course not. But they soon grew to meet the demand. So will charging stations, power lines etc.
Gas stations grew without government subsidies. Now EV charging stations are growing with government subsidies or mandates, such as requiring them at hotels.
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Old 12-29-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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For me waiting around while the car gets charged is out of the question.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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For me waiting around while the car gets charged is out of the question.
Me too. I'm still interested in a Volt, but once the nightly home charge is depleted i'd just use gas.
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Old 12-29-2019, 10:10 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Main reason I point this example because I think if EV sales becomes double digits in terms of total car sales. You may see more of this type of problem. There are plenty of people that don't have their own garage or drive way that will need some place to charge. I drive to a lot of parking lots and garages at most I see maybe just 4-6 EV charging spots out of perhaps 400 parking spots in a shopping district. That isn't enough to handle EVs when they become more in common. We'll need to see every public parking garage have atleast 20-30 charging spots just to meet the growing need.
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