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Old 05-22-2022, 05:47 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Tesla cannot, and should not compete with 'low-budget' import EV's.

There are a LOT of expensive components on Tesla's which Econo Manf countries will drive the costs (and design) way below Tesla part prices and performance.

This is not a race to be in.

But, yes... I hope Biden was encouraging the South Koreans to design a US designated EV that will meet his energy policy objectives(?)

Low cost designs and mass similar and shared components will axe the manf costs of EV (for off-shore buyers)
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Old 05-22-2022, 06:19 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I buy my wife one as a birthday present tomorrow if it was available. They never will be though. There's no way to meet the US safety standards that cheaply.
Yea, a third party brought it to Europe with some modifications to meet the safety standards and homologation which ballooned the price to more than double the base cost in China. Europe's standards are arguably more different than they are looser than the US's, but they also are a lot more accepting of smaller city cars than the US is.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/07...eze-nikrob-ev/
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Old 05-22-2022, 06:55 PM
 
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OP is nothing.
Chinese have Ev that has lifetime warranty, free battery exchange program if you do not want to charge it and, even a chauffeur, that will come to a bar and pick you up, not to drive your EV drunk. NEO, I believe. And, they have heck of great cars.
All that chat about Chinese junk is nothing more than envy. Yes, sure, there still is plenty of it but, mainstream companies are very solid quality.
Of course, naturally, you can not buy any of them in the US. Or, import them. Or, else.
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Old 05-23-2022, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I have heard no indication that the Chinese have come up with battery cells (of any chemistry, lead-acid, NiMh, Lithium etc.) that will last 200,000 miles or more, with less than 15% degradation. Nor have they come up with batteries that will cost less than the replacement value of the car once the cells do wear out.



Then you haven't been paying attention. CATL from China is one of the largest battery manufacturers on the planet, and has LI-ion EV batteries that are easily capable of 300k miles (1000+ charge cycles on a 300 mile range car) with almost no degradation, and now have shown their Sodium Ion battery that is cheaper and uses no lithium AND can be manufactured on the same production lines that made Li-Ion. Same number of charge cycles (1000-1500) and thus similar overall mileage lifespans. CATL will be supplying Tesla next year, and already supplies many of the major manufacturer's batteries.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQmoQ_NJNo


BTW, Tesla is already showing the batteries as a structural component of the chassis in their newest Model Y. https://insideevs.com/news/563013/te...-battery-pack/
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