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Ford and GM both are either in talks with/soon to be able to or are now able to use Tesla's supercharger network.
Definitely a mitigating factor to a large degree. I'd still have some reservations about getting a non-Tesla as there is no inherent right for Ford and GM to use the supercharger network (for all we know Musk may make some decision to scale things back if too many Tesla owners are waiting for extreme lengths of time due to additional manufacturers gaining access).
Nope, I'm not spending money on a EV that has no resale value because potential buyers will be afraid the battery in the used vehicle will die if they buy it.
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Sorry, that is far from the truth - most EV batteries last about 300-500K miles or the life of the vehicle. Also Tesla vehicles have very high resale values. Where do you get this stuff - just make it up.
As the battery degrades over time, the range may be reduced, which can decrease the resale value.
Definitely a mitigating factor to a large degree. I'd still have some reservations about getting a non-Tesla as there is no inherent right for Ford and GM to use the supercharger network (for all we know Musk may make some decision to scale things back if too many Tesla owners are waiting for extreme lengths of time due to additional manufacturers gaining access).
Normally I would say that's not a real concern due to this being more than just a gentleman's handshake agreement. Apparently its all brands as I look more into it. This is a binding contract and Tesla needs the cash so here we are, but then... you are right, it's Elon we're talking about.
That same reservation you have works the exact opposite for me in that I don't like Elon due to his antics and don't particularly care for Teslas in general. The guy most certainly could back out on something at a later date and have to be sued into honoring it... which in the meantime causes heartache for owners. So yeah, you have a point.
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Normally I would say that's not a real concern due to this being more than just a gentleman's handshake agreement. Apparently its all brands as I look more into it. This is a binding contract and Tesla needs the cash so here we are, but then... you are right, it's Elon we're talking about.
That same reservation you have works the exact opposite for me in that I don't like Elon due to his antics and don't particularly care for Teslas in general. The guy most certainly could back out on something at a later date and have to be sued into honoring it... which in the meantime causes heartache for owners. So yeah, you have a point.
Indeed. I'd wager there is a relatively easy out for Tesla (of course I haven't seen the contract terms). I'm also curious to know how much these other manufacturers are actually paying Tesla (or if the cash flow is primarily from non-Tesla brand owners paying to use the chargers). I'd also wager that the contract/deal here isn't for an indefinite term and has to be renewed at a specified point down the line. Regardless, assuming Musk broke the arrangement down the line, the contract undoubtedly spells out what remedies are available at law. I'd be shocked if specific performance is among the remedies, but rather would expect some monetary damage provision.
This makes it seem like the bulk of the expected revenues from this deal ($3 billion by 2030 for Tesla) will be from individual owners charging their vehicles: https://fortune.com/2023/06/09/tesla...ford-standard/ Considering that Tesla was in a much stronger position going into these contract negotiations, I'd wager that the terms of the contract protect Tesla in a lot of ways, but who really know.
My car is a year old and has a 10 year/100k extended warranty. My wife has a very low mileage Volvo S80. I’d like our Volvo replacement maybe 5 years from now to be a European delivery and probably another Volvo. We would use the entire 90 days of a Schengen Visa likely with a couple of trips home so spread over 5 or 6 months. In that timeframe, it’s likely that the choice will be an EV.
It would have to be as practical as a regular compact or subcompact. It will happen eventually since it's the only thing that makes real sense down the road- no pun intended.
My son who will be looking to get a new car in the next year or two is looking at a hybrid.
Me -- I have a 2014 Nissan Murano that has about 105,000 mile on it, used to replace cars every 10 years / 100,000 miles but think I may keep this one way longer with how expensive both new and used cars are these days and how much longer cars seem to last without a lot of car. Seems like keeping a car 200,000 miles these days is the new 100,000 miles. I've worked from home full time since the pandemic and don't put a lot of mile on it now and in reality could share a car with DH who is retired. It's so nice, though, to have your own car and feel like you have the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want. It's the largest car in the family too, so we use it for trips to see my dad who lives about six hours away and other rare short diving trips (maybe three or so a year). And DH borrows it (he live 16 minutes away) if he needs a larger car for transporting something. We tend to fly for vacations (three a year or so).
By the time I finally replace this car, elective vehicles may have improved enough to be the way to go. The lack of range and charging stations, though, wouldn't have me selecting one if I were to buy right now.
My son who will be looking to get a new car in the next year or two is looking at a hybrid.
Me -- I have a 2014 Nissan Murano that has about 105,000 mile on it, used to replace cars every 10 years / 100,000 miles but think I may keep this one way longer with how expensive both new and used cars are these days and how much longer cars seem to last without a lot of car. Seems like keeping a car 200,000 miles these days is the new 100,000 miles. I've worked from home full time since the pandemic and don't put a lot of mile on it now and in reality could share a car with DH who is retired. It's so nice, though, to have your own car and feel like you have the freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want. It's the largest car in the family too, so we use it for trips to see my dad who lives about six hours away and other rare short diving trips (maybe three or so a year). And DH borrows it (he live 16 minutes away) if he needs a larger car for transporting something. We tend to fly for vacations (three a year or so).
By the time I finally replace this car, elective vehicles may have improved enough to be the way to go. The lack of range and charging stations, though, wouldn't have me selecting one if I were to buy right now.
Just make sure to change that CVT fluid. It's recommended every 60k miles but most people fail to have it done.
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