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The BMW X5 50e hybrid that we own is faster than that BYD SUV. BMW says it has 483 HP so that means it actually has about 580. I would classify this level of power as sufficient but kind of weak sauce compared to our Tesla.
480 to the wheels doesn't mean it's making 580 at the crank. It could be making 495 to 515. A rwd vehicle has a roughly a 30% drivetrain loss and an awd has more than that. For example; a 05½+ CVPI has 250 at the crank and 215 to the wheels. Seeing as it's a hybrid, that's probably combined hp and the motor and Engine probably make less seperately.
+1. The byd is nowhere near the most powerful hybrid ever made.
The new nsx made 575hp hybrid in 2016.
The ferrari laferrari made 950hp hybrid in 2013.
The mclaren p1 made 905hp hybrid in 2013.
The porsche 918 made 825hp hybrid in 2010.
480 to the wheels doesn't mean it's making 580 at the crank. It could be making 495 to 515. A rwd vehicle has a roughly a 30% drivetrain loss and an awd has more than that. For example; a 05½+ CVPI has 250 at the crank and 215 to the wheels. Seeing as it's a hybrid, that's probably combined hp and the motor and Engine probably make less seperately.
I never said that it made 480 to the wheels. BMW just consistently understates the HP of their vehicles by a significant margin. They also drammatically understate their cars 0-60 time. BMW claims the X5 50e 0-60 time is 4.6 seconds, this from a 5600 lbs SUV and it's actually considerably quicker than BMW claims.
On the street driving the X5 50e, it's much quicker than most cars.
I never said that it made 480 to the wheels. BMW just consistently understates the HP of their vehicles by a significant margin. They also drammatically understate their cars 0-60 time. BMW claims the X5 50e 0-60 time is 4.6 seconds, this from a 5600 lbs SUV and it's actually considerably quicker than BMW claims.
On the street driving the X5 50e, it's much quicker than most cars.
The BYD is 500 lb. lighter than the BMW 50e, allegedly has 20 more HP and is half a second slower from 0-60 = BMW is putting out more HP than they state.
We need to stop thinking about HP, it's a dated power figure. Once cars are all electric, making over 500HP is too easy and cheap. All these big heavy cars with 500HP is not gonna beat cars with less HP and much lighter anyways. It's all about torque and future EVs will all get 0-60 under 4 secs but the holy grail is getting an EV under 3300lbs with good power and range.
We need to stop thinking about HP, it's a dated power figure. Once cars are all electric, making over 500HP is too easy and cheap. All these big heavy cars with 500HP is not gonna beat cars with less HP and much lighter anyways. It's all about torque and future EVs will all get 0-60 under 4 secs but the holy grail is getting an EV under 3300lbs with good power and range.
Kia Niro EV fits in that category. It's not made in the US though, so you have to go through leasing to get the federal tax credit because otherwise it's a pretty hefty premium to pay over the ICE Kia Niro.
We need to stop thinking about HP, it's a dated power figure. Once cars are all electric, making over 500HP is too easy and cheap. All these big heavy cars with 500HP is not gonna beat cars with less HP and much lighter anyways. It's all about torque and future EVs will all get 0-60 under 4 secs but the holy grail is getting an EV under 3300lbs with good power and range.
HP is not a dated figure, and same for aircraft trust. The problem is that the faster you accelerate and travel, regardless of vehicle, the more energy that is consumed. Also you have to take into consideration the power to weight ratio of the vehicle over tire traction. If you apply full torque to the wheels, there is a point where they will lose traction. This is specially true in slippery road conditions. Automobile manufacturers, including EV's are incorporating stability/traction computers that take over the vehicle during emergencies. Read about the 2023 electric Mini Cooper. For several years already there have been some automobiles that during an emergency control the steering, brakes, engine (ICE automobiles), and motors (EV's).
See, a lot of people, including myself, love fast acceleration and speed, but most experienced drivers already understand that torque is not the most important factor where traction is not possible. All depends on which roads you drive, or where around the world one drives, plus seasonal road conditions.
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