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Old 06-25-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Long Neck,De
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If you borrow a car from someone KNOWING there is a registration or equipment violation and you get pulled over who should be responsible for the ticket?
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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The first question is why you would drive a vehicle knowing it has those issues?
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Mount Laurel
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If you borrow a car from someone KNOWING there is a registration or equipment violation and you get pulled over who should be responsible for the ticket?
If you know there is a problem with the registration, why would it not be your responsibility?

I've borrowed friend's car in the past when I was younger. Rule of thumb is always ask where the insurance and registration card. If in glove box, I wouldn't drive away if there isn't a valid one in there.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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You are because you are driving it. It is your responsibility to make sure the car you are driving is street legal
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I say it's the owner's responsibility because

1) it's the owner's property
2) the owner assumed the risks when s/he allowed it to be driven

I think in some states you can get a ticket for expired tags when parked.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Prosper
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Interesting. I'm not a lawyer, so I do not know for a fact what the answer is, but I would think that whoever was driving would be at fault.

As an example, it is not illegal to let your registration lapse. There are a lot of valid reasons to not renew it, like you are selling the car soon, the car will be moved to a different state soon, lengthy time frame for repairs, etc. In a case where you've sold the car, if you let the registration lapse, a new person buys it but does not register the car, the previous owner is not liable for any tickets the new owner would receive even though in the system the car still shows registered to the original owner, so borrowing a car with expired registration should be treated the same way.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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Common courtesy would dictate that the person borrowing the car would pay the fine.

Also that the person borrowing something would return it in the same condition as it was when borrowed. (If you break something, pay to have it fixed.)

If a car, return it with the gas tank filled up.

And say "Thank You" to the person allowing you to borrow something.

P.S. Return the borrowed car [thing] to the owner's house! Don't wait for them to call and ask if you are done using it, then say "You can come over and pick up your car, I am done using it!"
(Yes people have the gall to do that lately!)
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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Interesting. I'm not a lawyer, so I do not know for a fact what the answer is, but I would think that whoever was driving would be at fault.

As an example, it is not illegal to let your registration lapse. There are a lot of valid reasons to not renew it, like you are selling the car soon, the car will be moved to a different state soon, lengthy time frame for repairs, etc. In a case where you've sold the car, if you let the registration lapse, a new person buys it but does not register the car, the previous owner is not liable for any tickets the new owner would receive even though in the system the car still shows registered to the original owner, so borrowing a car with expired registration should be treated the same way.
So by your logic, the car never needs to be registered if the owner only loans it out and never drives it.
Good luck with that one...
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Prosper
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So by your logic, the car never needs to be registered if the owner only loans it out and never drives it.
Good luck with that one...
Only with your logic, would you arrive at such an incorrect conclusion.

Whoever is driving it is breaking the law by operating a vehicle on public roads without valid registration. If the owner doesn't drive it and the car sits in the garage, do you think he's getting ticketed for it?
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Only with your logic, would you arrive at such an incorrect conclusion.

Whoever is driving it is breaking the law by operating a vehicle on public roads without valid registration. If the owner doesn't drive it and the car sits in the garage, do you think he's getting ticketed for it?

As the owner of the car and knowing that the car should NOT be on the road, why would you allow someone to use it?

In my state, these fix-it tickets don't come with a fine (if you fix it by the deadline) but with an administrative fee ($25 or so) so perhaps a point could be made that the driver should cover that cost, but definitely not pay for any repairs or late registration fees.

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