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That's a pretty firm statement, sir. Just HOW do you know that it is absolutely true? Please, give us the background for such a definitive statement.
I just DON'T KNOW it it works, so I am always looking for proof, one way or the other.
That's a pretty firm statement, sir. Just HOW do you know that it is absolutely true? Please, give us the background for such a definitive statement.
I just DON'T KNOW it it works, so I am always looking for proof, one way or the other.
It violates the laws of thermodynamics. The additional load put on the alternator would offset the gains (if there really were any).
Not to mention the fact that if you actually are able to produce any Hydrogen, you're turning your car into a bomb.
Again, I'll reiterate......Building a HHO generator that can produce enuf supplimentary fuel to make any difference at all to the size engine it is supplementing is the hurdle here. HHO burns, just like propane, CNG, Methane, Nitrous, etc......Even saltwater can be ignited with the application of a set frequency of radio waves and an ignition source. But if I have to drag a 6000 lb trailer behind my truck everywhere I go, because thats the size the HHO generator needs to be to produce enuf fuel for my engine then it is not a very practical way to go. But with the passage of time, and newer technology, maybe, it could be viable in the future..
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You'll never shrink it down enough to make a net energy gain. It would violate laws of Physics.
It violates the laws of thermodynamics. The additional load put on the alternator would offset the gains (if there really were any).
Not to mention the fact that if you actually are able to produce any Hydrogen, you're turning your car into a bomb.
Well, now we're getting someplace.......Keep in mind, the key operative word here has been "supplimentary" fuel. So if I have a one time cost for the materials in the HHO generator(I'm aware that the plates erode over time, and have to be replaced, and you will need to add more water at intervals also.)and you have an alternator that can handle the additional load, you can theoretically reduce the amount of primary fuel being burned. It is the primary fuel, be it Diesel or Gasoline that we have to keep paying for every time we go to the pump for more.
That is where the potential saving occurs. Perhaps I have to replace my alternator a little more often than I do now, and have the additional chore of adding a few cups of water to top off the generator each week. If doing that saves several hundred dollars at the pump over a period of months, perhaps there's a benefit. I'm not saying there is, just that I'm not willing to poo poo the notion without some further scrutiny like you, apparently are.
While I respect your view, you arent giving alot of substance with your argument. Eventually, as time permits, I'll make my own HHO generator and try it out on my own turbo Diesel, to see what, if anything, it does.
As for your sensationalistic statement about turning my car into a bomb...producing and burning the supplimentary HHO in an almost instantaneous manner is far less volitile than carrying around ten gallons of liquid gasoline in a twenty gallon tank(ten gallon volume of fumes), dont ya think?
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Well, now we're getting someplace.......Keep in mind, the key operative word here has been "supplimentary" fuel. So if I have a one time cost for the materials in the HHO generator(I'm aware that the plates erode over time, and have to be replaced, and you will need to add more water at intervals also.)and you have an alternator that can handle the additional load, you can theoretically reduce the amount of primary fuel being burned. It is the primary fuel, be it Diesel or Gasoline that we have to keep paying for every time we go to the pump for more.
That is where the potential saving occurs. Perhaps I have to replace my alternator a little more often than I do now, and have the additional chore of adding a few cups of water to top off the generator each week. If doing that saves several hundred dollars at the pump over a period of months, perhaps there's a benefit. I'm not saying there is, just that I'm not willing to poo poo the notion without some further scrutiny like you, apparently are.
While I respect your view, you arent giving alot of substance with your argument. Eventually, as time permits, I'll make my own HHO generator and try it out on my own turbo Diesel, to see what, if anything, it does.
As for your sensationalistic statement about turning my car into a bomb...producing and burning the supplimentary HHO in an almost instantaneous manner is far less volitile than carrying around ten gallons of liquid gasoline in a twenty gallon tank(ten gallon volume of fumes), dont ya think?
The size of the mechanism is irrevelant.. If a small device nets 2 HP, it's costing you 3 HP to full field your alternator constantly. There's no way around it.
As to your second point, you're not carrying around gasoline in a jelly jar bungee corded to the inside of your engine compartment.
Well, now we're getting someplace.......Keep in mind, the key operative word here has been "supplimentary" fuel. So if I have a one time cost for the materials in the HHO generator(I'm aware that the plates erode over time, and have to be replaced, and you will need to add more water at intervals also.)and you have an alternator that can handle the additional load, you can theoretically reduce the amount of primary fuel being burned. It is the primary fuel, be it Diesel or Gasoline that we have to keep paying for every time we go to the pump for more.
No, this violates the law of conservation of energy. Look at it as a closed system. You have a bunch of water that you want to break down into H2 and O2 atoms. In order to do this you will have to apply energy to do this work.
Now you want to react the H2 and O2 atoms, resulting in water and released energy. No problem there. BUT the energy released will not be more than what was put into the initial reaction. Otherwise you would have a perpetual motion machine because you could keep on breaking down and combusting the water / H2 +O2 atoms with a net energy gain. That's what they're trying to sell to you. The idea that you can keep breaking down and rebuilding the same hydrogen and oxygen atoms with an imagined net gain from the reaction.
The only way around this is to apply energy from an external source, such as from a battery that is not related to the internal combustion engine in the car or truck. But even then, charging up that battery isn't free.
How does introducing more fuel change anything? The gasoline you're already running isn't burned completely, explaining that catalytic converter hanging underneath every car built after the mid 70's.
That being said the gains are certainly not 30-40-50% gains like the scammers will have you believe.
Keep in mind with the energy thing, you aren't really creating energy from nothing you are just releasing energy. Kind of like a Nuclear reactor. It uses energy but releases more usable energy.
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