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An interesting distinction for SFO once these 3 new routes begin service.
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United said Thursday that next year it will add 787 flights from San Francisco to three new destinations --- Auckland, New Zealand; Tel Aviv, Israel; and Xi'an, China...
...Once the flights begin, San Francisco will become the biggest 787 hub in the U.S., with 787 Dreamliner service to nine cities, also including Chengdu, Houston, Osaka, Shanghai (pending government approval), Taipei and Tokyo Haneda...
So I was thinking about comparing East Coast to/from Asia/Pacific VS. West Coast to/from Europe/Africa/Middle East and decided to draw the dividing line as the India/Pakistan border--meaning all flights from the West Coast all the way to Pakistan and all flights from the East Coast all the way to India.
Yes, Im aware that many flights actually fly over the North Pole and not directly across the ocean, but I found this an intriguing idea, from one coast to the other side of the opposite ocean.
Anyhow, here are my findings. Please let me know if I missed something at JFK and elsewhere because I simply used Wiki.
Newark(EWR): 5 nonstop destinations
Beijing-Capital,Mumbai, Hong Kong, Tokyo-Narita, Shanghai-Pudong
New York-La Guardia(LGA): 0 nonstop destinations
New York-John F Kennedy(JFK): 11 nonstop destinations
Beijing-Capital, Delhi, Mumbai, Tokyo-Narita, Seoul-Incheon, Hong Kong
Taipei-Taoyuan, Shanghai-Pudong, Guangzhou, Manila, Sydney
West Coast across the Atlantic(Europe, Africa, Middle East):
Los Angeles(LAX): 23 nonstop destinations
Dublin, Moscow-Sheremetyevo, Dusseldorf, Paris-Charles De Gaulle, Rome-Fiumicino,
London-Heathrow, Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion, Dubai-International, Addis Ababa,
Abu Dhabi, Madrid, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich, Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm,
Doha, Jeddah, Riyadh, Zurich, Manchester(UK), Istanbul-Ataturk
San Francisco(SFO): 14 nonstop destinations
Dublin, Paris-Charles De Gaulle, London-Heathrow, Dubai-International,
Abu Dhabi, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich, Copenhagen, Zurich, Istanbul-Ataturk,
Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion, Reykjavik, Delhi
Oakland(OAK): 3 nonstop destinations
Azores, Oslo, Stockholm
San Jose(SJC): 2 nonstop destinations
Frankfurt, London-Heathrow
In the Center of the US you have three major international gateways as well: Chicago, DFW, and Houston. Minneapolis-St. Paul and Detroit also deserve a mention.
also the Atlantic is shorter accross than the pacific so the extra 3000 miles is more significant
for example SFO to London over the Atlantic is 5,385 miles while PHL to DOHA over the Atlantic is 6,800 miles
SFO to Tokyo is 5,100 miles
I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter because if there are 11 non-stops from NYC to Pacific Rim and beyond destinations, including all the way to India, then if there were demand for these flights from other E Coast cities there would be these flights.
So far as I can tell, the "bias" for W Coast in this metric is that there are simply still more demand generators and places for US citizens to go in Europe than there are in Asia. So it would make sense that there are more flights from LA/SF across the Atlantic than there are flights from E Coast across the Pacific to Asia. The bias isn't in the distance.
^^^Ok, but that doesn't provide an explanation for NYC having 11 non-stops and other E Coast cities having just a couple at most. Clearly, it's moreso about demand. If there is demand to go from Miami to Tokyo, there would be a flight from Miami to Tokyo. If there can physically be a flight from Atlanta or New York to Tokyo, then there is a physical possibility of having a flight from Miami to Tokyo. But the airlines have deemed that there is not enough demand to field an operation to host a non-stop flight from Miami to Tokyo.
How does reasoning escape people so much from this forum?
Also, don't forget that return flights from Europe/Middle East go WEST, and return flights from Asia to the US go EAST. All flights have an "uphill" and "downhill".
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^^^Ok, but that doesn't provide an explanation for NYC having 11 non-stops and other E Coast cities having just a couple at most. Clearly, it's moreso about demand. If there is demand to go from Miami to Tokyo, there would be a flight from Miami to Tokyo. If there can physically be a flight from Atlanta or New York to Tokyo, then there is a physical possibility of having a flight from Miami to Tokyo. But the airlines have deemed that there is not enough demand to field an operation to host a non-stop flight from Miami to Tokyo.
How does reasoning escape people so much from this forum?
Also, don't forget that return flights from Europe/Middle East go WEST, and return flights from Asia to the US go EAST. All flights have an "uphill" and "downhill".
It's about money at the end of the day. Demand, as you mentioned, is a huge part of that equation, but if airlines lose more money flying certain routes due to increased costs, that certainly is a "reasonable" factor to consider when we're talking trans-continental and intra-continental flights.
So yea, I have no idea why (if we're to believe stats by Wikipedia via Monty) the comparatively smaller population and economically weaker West Coast metros have more international flights "going the other way" . I assume there's a whole host of valid reasons, and I was merely offering a plausible factor. You wouldn't think our capital, with three airports, would be overshadowed in this regard by Boston (which is actually more northerly come to think of it), so who knows--this isn't one of those threads to get all bent out of shape over.
Last edited by qworldorder; 11-13-2015 at 02:28 PM..
for example can a plane make and be finacially viable direct to Asia froma Miami or Orlando as an example?
there are more EC flights to Europe and more WC flights to Asia - a big driver is distance, profitablility and demand relative to price and desire for direct etc
its not truly an apples to apples
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