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So do you think that this type of shutdown will happen more often also with other airlines due to the combination of severe weather and the new FAA regulations about crew rest time periods?
The part 117 crew rest regulations are onerous and are not rooted in common sense. These regulations are placing passengers in danger. Pilots are crashing due to a lack of work not being overworked. The following crashes that have occurred in recent times were due to pilot disengagement or automation complacency due to too much rest either in their domicile or too easy of a job in the cockpit. here are examples of disengaged pilots flying perfectly fine aircraft into the ground due to automation complacency / lack of work/ lack of attention. These new rules will encourage more incidents like these.
Anyone who has spent anytime in the cockpit lately will attest to how easy these guys have it. Taxi then take off then autopilot engagement which means just hours doing little to nothing while mentally masturbating themselves on the I-Pad. It is this level of disengagement that leads to accidents. With increased rest in between the rest periods known as flying these pilots will be even more disengagement.
The danger kicks in with increased takeoff and landings - yes planes are making stops to change crews , swamping one set of i-pad jockeys for another. Airline operations are having trouble scheduling these i-pad jockeys of the stratosphere as they can only occupy the cockpit for very limited hours now- even less than a transoceanic flight on some equipment. This is providing a huge competitive edge to the foreign carriers that don't have to deal with these absurd rules. These rules have no basis in reality -this is some sort of ALPA scheme to make life even easier for their disengaged members. The individual that wrote the 117 rules is a former ALPA official. Now that airlines ops have become so unprofitable they may not have that seat in the sky in the near future.
The past the regulations fit perfectly into schedules. Now the crews must have so much rest they are now inefficient workers who will spend long periods of time away from home in "rest". Airlines will have to use more crews who fly less. More pilots spending more time away from home making less money all stressed out and primed for the next crash.
These new regulations often require 30 hours rest between work days. Just last week pilots could be scheduled to work morning shifts all week and let their bodies acclimate. Now the rest requirements force them to work morning one day, night the next day (to ensure rest) , then more rest then morning the 4th day all the while staying at fleabag airport hotels far away from their family. It is lunacy!
Last edited by samyn on the green; 01-06-2014 at 04:14 PM..
The part 117 crew rest regulations are onerous and are not rooted in common sense. These regulations are placing passengers in danger. Pilots are crashing due to a lack of work not being overworked. The following crashes that have occurred in recent times were due to pilot disengagement or automation complacency due to too much rest either in their domicile or too easy of a job in the cockpit. here are examples of disengaged pilots flying perfectly fine aircraft into the ground due to automation complacency / lack of work/ lack of attention. These new rules will encourage more incidents like these.
Anyone who has spent anytime in the cockpit lately will attest to how easy these guys have it. Taxi then take off then autopilot engagement which means just hours doing little to nothing while mentally masturbating themselves on the I-Pad. It is this level of disengagement that leads to accidents. With increased rest in between the rest periods known as flying these pilots will be even more disengagement.
The danger kicks in with increased takeoff and landings - yes planes are making stops to change crews , swamping one set of i-pad jockeys for another. Airline operations are having trouble scheduling these i-pad jockeys of the stratosphere as they can only occupy the cockpit for very limited hours now- even less than a transoceanic flight on some equipment. This is providing a huge competitive edge to the foreign carriers that don't have to deal with these absurd rules. These rules have no basis in reality -this is some sort of ALPA scheme to make life even easier for their disengaged members. The individual that wrote the 117 rules is a former ALPA official. Now that airlines ops have become so unprofitable they may not have that seat in the sky in the near future.
The past the regulations fit perfectly into schedules. Now the crews must have so much rest they are now inefficient workers who will spend long periods of time away from home in "rest". Airlines will have to use more crews who fly less. More pilots spending more time away from home making less money all stressed out and primed for the next crash.
These new regulations often require 30 hours rest between work days. Just last week pilots could be scheduled to work morning shifts all week and let their bodies acclimate. Now the rest requirements force them to work morning one day, night the next day (to ensure rest) , then more rest then morning the 4th day all the while staying at fleabag airport hotels far away from their family. It is lunacy!
Well the former FAA regulations obviously were helping to cause crashes and something needed to be done. But now with this super cold weather in a good part of the country this is proving to be a really bad situation for the airlines and the passengers.
There has never been mass delays and disruptions due to cold. These delays are due to irrational crew rest farce. Pilots can effectually only work 5 hour days. These guys are already out to lunch in the cockpit but now the pilot disengagement with their job will continue to expand. Any delay due to deicing or traffic and they have to go back to rest once their workday exceeds 8 hours. Previews schedules are not working. Look for greatly reduced schedules, Pilots working long weeks for little pay and skyrocketing fares as supply plummets.
Since automation complacency is not being addressed the crashes will continue.
There has never been mass delays and disruptions due to cold. These delays are due to irrational crew rest farce. Pilots can effectually only work 5 hour days. These guys are already out to lunch in the cockpit but now the pilot disengagement with their job will continue to expand. Any delay due to deicing or traffic and they have to go back to rest once their workday exceeds 8 hours. Previews schedules are not working. Look for greatly reduced schedules, Pilots working long weeks for little pay and skyrocketing fares as supply plummets.
Since automation complacency is not being addressed the crashes will continue.
8 hours? Try 14 down from 16 before. Nice thing now is the 8 hours of actual rest time, in other words no more 8 hours of "rest" from block in to block out the next morning giving you maybe 5.5 hours of time to actually sleep.
I wonder what airline samyn on the green is an executive for ?
Maximum flight time per day increase from 8 to 9 hours (for workdays beginning from 5am to 8pm), a 12.5% increase in favor of the company.
Furthermore, many pilots actually would actually prefer to work more (and thus make more money). You have to impose some reasonable limits. I'm not arguing that the new regulations are perfect, but at least they were an attempt to address the circadian rhythm of humans (yes, pilots are humans believe it or not).
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More rest more accidents more delays
