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Old 03-11-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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Odd historical footnote:

On 13 February 1983, a Learjet 35A carrying Sri Lankan business tycoon Upali Wijewardene disappeared (exploded) over the Straits of Malacca (Malaysia). The wreckage has never been found, nor any trace of Wijewardene, his top executives, or crew.[12][13]
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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People keep saying this and it's just plain wrong. No one claimed responsibility for 9/11. A month later bin Laden was explicitly denying responsibility. Not until we uncovered video proof in a raid in Afghanistan did al Qaeda step up.

Many other attacks have been unclaimed. A small splinter group or new faction will claim responsibility because they want publicity. A larger established group knows that the point of terrorism is to create a climate of fear and uncertainty and helplessness. Nothing does that better than not knowing who just attacked you or why. You can't defend against an unknown attacker. Once people know who did it the fear turns to anger and resolve to get justice.
Not only that, it could have been a "dry run" ... and now they know they were successful and it will be months if not years before we figure out what happened.

Also, Gadaffi did not acknowledge his responsibility for Pan Am 103 for DECADES ... until after the UK and US gave him money to stop sponsoring terrorists. Of course the intelligence people knew all along that the Libyans were behind it.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Sunshine state
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The terrorist angle is weak, IMO. They kill to make a statement against western influence and religion. In this case, most of the passengers were not even westerners and they're citizens of countries who are not exacty pro west (Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Iran). Only 3 were US citizens. Not exactly a good ROI from their perspective.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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The terrorist angle is weak, IMO. They kill to make a statement against western influence and religion. In this case, most of the passengers were not even westerners and they're citizens of countries who are not exacty pro west (Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Iran). Only 3 were US citizens. Not exactly a good ROI from their perspective.
The knife massacre in China several weeks ago was the result of terrorism within that country. Not that I want to speculate that it must be the Muslims, but it is worth noting that China has a horrible track record with their Muslim minority (or any religious or ethnic minority for that matter). It is not out of bounds to believe that this could be an act of terrorism aimed at China. There is just not enough information to make any statement regarding terrorism.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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The terrorist angle is weak, IMO. They kill to make a statement against western influence and religion. In this case, most of the passengers were not even westerners and they're citizens of countries who are not exacty pro west (Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Iran). Only 3 were US citizens. Not exactly a good ROI from their perspective.
Terrorist does not only mean Muslims in the Middle East.

There are other reasons why it seems like terrorism does not add up, but your reasoning is not it.
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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It may have been talk about already in this thread but why do black boxes not transmit instantly to a harddrive somewhere on solid land or the cloud? It seems archaic that we have to find a physical black box to get the data on it. Is it for security reasons? If so, can it not be encrypted?
I know someone answered my question already but I saw this article today and the poster who answered me was correct.

Malaysia Air Crash: Why Do Airlines Keep 'Black Box' Flight Data Trapped on Planes? - Businessweek
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Not only that, it could have been a "dry run" ... and now they know they were successful and it will be months if not years before we figure out what happened.
I wouldn't call it a "dry run" if it caused the plane to crash.

I'm leaning towards an accident that quickly incapacitated the crew, the plane continued to fly (off it's planned flight path) until it became unstable and nosedived in with little footprint in land or sea. Perhaps a 'ghost plane' incident like 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - or the windscreen failed/something crashed through it incapacitating the crew.

I know the speculation is getting more crazy but the longer it takes to find the plane the less likely are the more conventional explanations. At the moment we are looking for explanations as to why there is no debris field found for a plane that went missing at 36,000 feet.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Sunshine state
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Terrorist does not only mean Muslims in the Middle East.

There are other reasons why it seems like terrorism does not add up, but your reasoning is not it.
That may be true. But other non-muslim terrorists were typically domestic terrorists. Whether it's the knife attack in China (the fact that they used knifes spoke volume of their scale of operation, limitation, and budget), the northern Ireland terrorism, the poison gas attack years back in Tokyo's subway, Timothy McBain's bombing, etc, they're all inside attacks. For something like this, you need money and sophisticated international connections. Someone mentioned Uyghur chinese as potential suspect. I honestly don't think they have the connection and money to pull this off.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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UPDATE 2-Malaysia missing plane unlikely to be terrorist event-Interpol head | Reuters
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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The saddest part about it not being a terrorist attack is that when it's all said and done, this will most likely come down to some sort of error or negligence. I would have a very hard time dealing with the fact that a family member is dead due to someone else's mistake.
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