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Old 05-11-2017, 01:29 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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It doesn't seem logical to even compare it that way. If I was one of 40-50 people loading my bags onto a big cart and all the skyc ap did was drive the cart across the lobby, I doubt I'd pay him $2 per bag.

Or if I knew he was pulling in 100K. The fact is one of the reasons we tip certain occupations is because they make little salary. Pilots, while maybe not making CEO money, are making an upper middle class income. If I knew my pilot was being paid $20/hr I might pop into the cockpit, hand him a fiver, and ask him to find us some smooth air.
So, let's say you hired a pilot to fly you alone in a Cessna 152. How much would you be willing to pay him compared to the pilot flying 40 passengers or 400 passengers? If they designed a plane that could carry thousands of passengers like a cruise ship, would there be any minimum that you would pay?

Seems to me that a willingness to pay less simply because there are more passengers reflects a devaluing of yourself. "If I am alone, I am worth x to the pilot, but if I am one of many, I am worth x divided by the number of other people."

Look at it from the pilot's perspective. If someone pays you $200 to fly them alone somewhere, wouldn't they be of greater value to you than 100 people paying you $2.

 
Old 05-11-2017, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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So, let's say you hired a pilot to fly you alone in a Cessna 152. How much would you be willing to pay him compared to the pilot flying 40 passengers or 400 passengers? If they designed a plane that could carry thousands of passengers like a cruise ship, would there be any minimum that you would pay?

Seems to me that a willingness to pay less simply because there are more passengers reflects a devaluing of yourself. "If I am alone, I am worth x to the pilot, but if I am one of many, I am worth x divided by the number of other people."

Look at it from the pilot's perspective. If someone pays you $200 to fly them alone somewhere, wouldn't they be of greater value to you than 100 people paying you $2.
This has nothing to do with devaluing anybody, but with economies of scale. If Bruce Springsteen can entertain a whole stadium with 60,000 people at the same time, the single person will pay another price than somebody who invites him for a private concert, isn't it?

Plus, it is the airline that is offering the pilot the bigger airplane. From the job itself, it is not much different than flying a Cessna with a single person, probably flying the A380 is even easier due to all the systems onboard, so why should he be entitled for more money, just because the company gives him a bigger tool to do his job?

Everything that counts is the monthly salary in total and wether one can have a good life with that. I do not care at all about how much it may be per passenger. I am willing to pay not more than what is necessary to have a decent salary per month, regardless if that is $0.01 or $10 for my single trip.
 
Old 05-12-2017, 02:20 AM
 
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Okay, thank you for your responses. I like the concert analogy. Seems to me there is a certain minimum that oeople expect to pay for a concert. I don't think people would expect much i f they paid $2 to see Bruce Springsteen even if there were millions of people in attendance. Springsteen tickets average $437 according to Bruce Springsteen Tour Ticket Prices By The Numbers (obviously doesn't all go to him). Listening to someone sing for a couple hours vs. entrusting your life to someone for a couple houes...hmm...Kind of illustrated what I was saying about what our culture values. Why shouldn't pilots earn $53 million a year? http://www.salary-money.com/bruce-sp...p#.WRVxMlQpChA
 
Old 05-12-2017, 03:41 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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Okay, thank you for your responses. I like the concert analogy. Seems to me there is a certain minimum that oeople expect to pay for a concert. I don't think people would expect much i f they paid $2 to see Bruce Springsteen even if there were millions of people in attendance. Springsteen tickets average $437 according to Bruce Springsteen Tour Ticket Prices By The Numbers (obviously doesn't all go to him). Listening to someone sing for a couple hours vs. entrusting your life to someone for a couple houes...hmm...Kind of illustrated what I was saying about what our culture values. Why shouldn't pilots earn $53 million a year? Bruce Springsteen's salary: USD 53,000,000 per year - Salary Income Money
The answer is unique selling point. There is only one Bruce Springsteen but there are plenty of thousands of pilots.
 
Old 05-12-2017, 06:22 AM
 
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The answer is unique selling point. There is only one Bruce Springsteen but there are plenty of thousands of pilots.
There are plenty of singers, but there is only one Captain Retroit.
 
Old 05-12-2017, 07:35 AM
 
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There are plenty of singers, but there is only one Captain Retroit.
Yeah, give me some extra low overflights of the grand canyon, a few loopings or barrel rolls, a combat approach on the USS Sedona with a B-737 and I will pay you $500 tip.
 
Old 05-12-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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Yeah, give me some extra low overflights of the grand canyon, a few loopings or barrel rolls, a combat approach on the USS Sedona with a B-737 and I will pay you $500 tip.
Is that all it would take? Shoot, I'd do that stuff for free!
 
Old 05-13-2017, 12:46 AM
 
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There are plenty of singers, but there is only one Captain Retroit.
And his little exercise in egotism has not gone quite the way he wanted it to.
 
Old 05-13-2017, 01:37 AM
 
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And his little exercise in egotism has not gone quite the way he wanted it to.
How did "he" want it to go?
 
Old 05-13-2017, 05:18 AM
 
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How did "he" want it to go?
Your answer is in post #43, but you'd probably settle for what you put in #30.
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