05-29-2016, 12:34 PM
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I currently live in Baltimore, but I'm about to retire and I really want on old house and at least an acre for a garden and privacy and dogs and--well--nature. But I'm gay, originally Australian, caucasian but with an African-American partner, polically left, and atheist--maybe Buddhist. (Do I sound like an urban cliche?) I value privacy, so I'm not looking to engage hugely with the neighbors, but I'm looking for a rural area where I won't be too out of place or stigmatized. I also want to be not too far from amenties like gyms etc, and my sense is that the corridor around I-83 heading north from Baltimore as far as southern PA is probably my safest bet. Does anyone have suggestions for any areas that are a bit "alternative" in rural Maryland or rural PA--I guess (broadly) between DC and Philadelphia? (Good climate zone would be a definite plus.) Many thanks.
05-29-2016, 12:41 PM
Location: Sneads Ferry, NC
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Does anyone have suggestions for any areas that are a bit "alternative" in rural Maryland or rural PA--I guess (broadly) between DC and Philadelphia? (Good climate zone would be a definite plus.) Many thanks.
Look anywhere there are many antique dealers. I find there is a large concentration of gays among antique dealers. Mount Airy might be one place to look. Bucks County Pennsylvania is another. Havre De Grace might be another, but I think the acre of land will be expensive.
05-29-2016, 05:38 PM
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I think your best bets would be the western and southwestern suburbs and exurbs of Philadelphia, more specifically from Bala Cynwyd following I-76, I-276, and Route 30 out to Route 202, and from City Avenue out to Chadds Ford or even Kennett Square. Also, Bucks County (as was previously suggested) particularly near the village of New Hope, and across the river to Lambertville, NJ and across to the Princeton/Lawrenceville area.
05-30-2016, 12:14 PM
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Many thanks. So what I'm hearing is that the area around Baltimore, and Maryland in general, is a no-go. (People have warned me that Havre de Grace is near Aberdeen, and they've said I absolutely don't want to be there.) So I guess I better start getting to know Philly. . . . Sigh. It would be so nice just to go where you liked the country and not have to worry about whether you'll "fit in." But I guess that's fairly universal.
05-30-2016, 12:33 PM
Location: Upper Marlboro
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People have warned me that Havre de Grace is near Aberdeen, and they've said I absolutely don't want to be there.
I wouldn't say that at all... there just aren't many gay folks around there. I'd avoid Cecil County, MD but I think you'd be fine really anywhere between Philly and Baltimore along I-95 or Rt. 1 corridors. It's somewhat conservative but certainly not anti-gay at all.
05-30-2016, 07:13 PM
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I currently live in Baltimore, but I'm about to retire and I really want on old house and at least an acre for a garden and privacy and dogs and--well--nature. But I'm gay, originally Australian, caucasian but with an African-American partner, polically left, and atheist--maybe Buddhist. (Do I sound like an urban cliche?) I value privacy, so I'm not looking to engage hugely with the neighbors, but I'm looking for a rural area where I won't be too out of place or stigmatized. I also want to be not too far from amenties like gyms etc, and my sense is that the corridor around I-83 heading north from Baltimore as far as southern PA is probably my safest bet. Does anyone have suggestions for any areas that are a bit "alternative" in rural Maryland or rural PA--I guess (broadly) between DC and Philadelphia? (Good climate zone would be a definite plus.) Many thanks.
Don't rule out Havre de Grace. Unfortunately, because of development not as quaint as it used to be but still has a few areas where privacy/acreage can be found. Antique old town feel near the water. Close to the Delaware beaches and the south/eastern part of Pennsylvania; which is rich with beautiful scenery, botanical gardens, hiking and wineries. An hour or so to Center City Philadelphia and downtown Baltimore and a couple of hours from DC.
As far as it being close to Aberdeen. Aberdeen is just...meh.
Anyway, it's worth checking out.
05-31-2016, 03:01 PM
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I can tell you that some of the loveliest suburban areas just outside Philadelphia towards Wilmington Delaware - particularly West Chester, Media, Swarthmore are very LGBT friend ... but these areas can be very pricey. Swarthmore has probably the most gay-friendly college in the entire US! The towns themselves are charming with lots of cafes, art galleries, upscale restaurants, etc. So, if you're on a strict budget, forget it.
Possibly the "gayest" area is centered around Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. So gay in fact it competes as a resort with Provincetown and Key West. We jokingly call it "Rehomo Beach."
06-02-2016, 07:40 AM
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I can tell you that some of the loveliest suburban areas just outside Philadelphia towards Wilmington Delaware - particularly West Chester, Media, Swarthmore are very LGBT friend ... but these areas can be very pricey. Swarthmore has probably the most gay-friendly college in the entire US! The towns themselves are charming with lots of cafes, art galleries, upscale restaurants, etc. So, if you're on a strict budget, forget it.
Possibly the "gayest" area is centered around Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. So gay in fact it competes as a resort with Provincetown and Key West. We jokingly call it "Rehomo Beach."
The OP is looking for a house with at least an acre of land. I highly doubt he'll find that in West Chester, Media, or Swarthmore. Maybe Kennett Square or Chadds Ford might be worth a look?
06-03-2016, 10:00 AM
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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The OP is looking for a house with at least an acre of land. I highly doubt he'll find that in West Chester, Media, or Swarthmore. Maybe Kennett Square or Chadds Ford might be worth a look?
Yes, Kennett Square and Chadds Ford might be worth a look. Mind you, the OP did not mention money, a budget, nor a price ... so as far as I know he might be loaded and could well afford a breathtaking historic home on a few acres of land even in West Chester, Media and Swarthmore!
06-03-2016, 10:41 AM
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Many thanks, folks. So I've been looking in Redfin for houses earlier than 1940, at least 1 acre, and below $500k, and there seem to be a few pretty good values in areas south of West Chester toward "north Wilmington"--then it gets pricey around West Chester, and then it gets cheaper again as you head out toward Reading. (Is Reading too far away?) Mind you, I've seen some great listings in West Virginia, e.g. on the Potomac--some good value, but some quite expensive. Holiday homes from DC, mixed in with locals, maybe? But I guess I don't want to go there. . . . ?
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Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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