Is Baltimore an Internationally influential city or an Nationally influential city? (Dundalk: neighborhoods, schools)

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by bufflove

Not that population size particularly matters, but I wonder what the city's pop would look like if it had been able to annex land over the past 100+ years. At 80 miles squared, Baltimore's land area is tiny compared to all of the most populous cities in the US.

Baltimore (and DC, for that matter) are far, far more dense than the Sun Belt "cities" that now dominate the top 10. Heck, even our unincorporated suburbs like Towson and Columbia are more dense than Phoenix, Austin, San Antonio, etc.

List is taken from another thread

Population radius of 10km/6.2mi (~120 sq/mi) from downtown city center. Takes these with a grain of salt as most include water, undeveloped/industrial land, geographic features, etc.. that skew these rankings up or down, but it's a good-ish metric to objectively compare cities/metros.

New York, NY Union Square- 3,577,375

Los Angeles, CA (Downtown) 5th and Flower- 1,813,654
Chicago, IL (Union Park) Ashland/West Lake Street- 1,457,432
Philadelphia, PA City Hall- 1,255,522
Boston- (Hynes Convention Center)- 1,244,321
Washington DC (Washington Monument)- 1,173,954
Las Vegas, NV (North Main Street/East Stewart Avenue)- 1,071,316
San Jose, CA South Market/ Park Avenue 1,005,257

San Francisco Van Ness/Market- 876,756
Baltimore, MD- Mulberry Street/North Howard- 774,431
San Diego, CA 11th Ave/Broadway -737,076
Miami, FL Gibson Park- 733,779
San Antonio, TX (Travis Park)- 731,823
Houston, TX Central Station Main/Rusk Street- 712,934
Denver, CO Civic Center Park- 708,169
Phoenix, AZ Roosevelt/Central- 694,779
Austin, TX (Texas State Capitol Square)- 679,081
Minneapolis,MN Hennepin/Washington Avenue North- 662,582
Portland, OR (Pioneer Square)- 632,028
Milwaukee, WI (Downtown) Greyhound Station- 616,548
Seattle, WA Pike Street/Boren Ave- 616,257

Dallas, TX (Union Station)- 589,914
Detroit, MI (Highland Park)- Woodward/Davison Freeway- this had to be dragged northward because of Canada. 584,803
Sacramento, CA California State Capitol- 576,773
Orlando, FL (Orlando City Hall)- 553,226
Columbus, GA Capitol Square- 550,150
Atlanta, GA (Five Points)- 529,550
Pittsburgh, PA (Union Station)- 513,851
Providence, RI Washington/Dorrance Street -500,427

Cleveland, OH (Troy James Highway/Willow Freeway)- 432,016
Cincinnati, OH Walnut/East 5th Street- 418,388
Raleigh, NC Raleigh Union Station- 403,819
Louisville, KY (Kentucky Int'lConvention Center)- 384,701
Salt Lake, UT (City Council Building)- 384,383
Charlotte, NC (Epicenter/ East Trade Street/South College)- 375,154
Tampa, FL City Hall- 363,241
St. Louis, MO Market/Broadway- 342,594
Kansas City, MO (Downtown) Metro Center/12th street- 331,445
Nashville, TN (Tennessee State Captiol/Victory Park)- 308,641

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

List is taken from another thread

Population radius of 10km/6.2mi (~120 sq/mi) from downtown city center. Takes these with a grain of salt as most include water, undeveloped/industrial land, geographic features, etc.. that skew these rankings up or down, but it's a good-ish metric to objectively compare cities/metros.

New York, NY Union Square- 3,577,375

Los Angeles, CA (Downtown) 5th and Flower- 1,813,654
Chicago, IL (Union Park) Ashland/West Lake Street- 1,457,432
Philadelphia, PA City Hall- 1,255,522
Boston- (Hynes Convention Center)- 1,244,321
Washington DC (Washington Monument)- 1,173,954
Las Vegas, NV (North Main Street/East Stewart Avenue)- 1,071,316
San Jose, CA South Market/ Park Avenue 1,005,257

San Francisco Van Ness/Market- 876,756
Baltimore, MD- Mulberry Street/North Howard- 774,431
San Diego, CA 11th Ave/Broadway -737,076
Miami, FL Gibson Park- 733,779
San Antonio, TX (Travis Park)- 731,823
Houston, TX Central Station Main/Rusk Street- 712,934
Denver, CO Civic Center Park- 708,169
Phoenix, AZ Roosevelt/Central- 694,779
Austin, TX (Texas State Capitol Square)- 679,081
Minneapolis,MN Hennepin/Washington Avenue North- 662,582
Portland, OR (Pioneer Square)- 632,028
Milwaukee, WI (Downtown) Greyhound Station- 616,548
Seattle, WA Pike Street/Boren Ave- 616,257

Dallas, TX (Union Station)- 589,914
Detroit, MI (Highland Park)- Woodward/Davison Freeway- this had to be dragged northward because of Canada. 584,803
Sacramento, CA California State Capitol- 576,773
Orlando, FL (Orlando City Hall)- 553,226
Columbus, GA Capitol Square- 550,150
Atlanta, GA (Five Points)- 529,550
Pittsburgh, PA (Union Station)- 513,851
Providence, RI Washington/Dorrance Street -500,427

Cleveland, OH (Troy James Highway/Willow Freeway)- 432,016
Cincinnati, OH Walnut/East 5th Street- 418,388
Raleigh, NC Raleigh Union Station- 403,819
Louisville, KY (Kentucky Int'lConvention Center)- 384,701
Salt Lake, UT (City Council Building)- 384,383
Charlotte, NC (Epicenter/ East Trade Street/South College)- 375,154
Tampa, FL City Hall- 363,241
St. Louis, MO Market/Broadway- 342,594
Kansas City, MO (Downtown) Metro Center/12th street- 331,445
Nashville, TN (Tennessee State Captiol/Victory Park)- 308,641

Great info - thanks

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by 908Boi

Rip off implies stealing. that's not what happened.

You know damn well your last two sentences are totally incorrect.

Copying

My last 2 sentences are 100% true. They don't play NJ here in Charlotte. They play Baltimore club music ALL THE TIME here. Radio, commercials, clubs. Many a city I have visited played Baltimore club music.

As i stated, NJ produced Beats are more popular while Baltimore club music is more popular.

[Threestep2]

What does club music have to do with a city being an international influence? It is something a small segment of populations might be interested in.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by Threestep2

What does club music have to do with a city being an international influence? It is something a small segment of populations might be interested in.

I think it is a semi-obscure (but actually sorta interesting) subconversation going on.

I have NO clue about club or beats, or whatever, but there seems to be some debate about how influential Baltimore is in the national/East Coast music scene.

[Rocko20]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

It's relevant if you want to talk about homicide rates and Old Bay. Otherwise? Yeah, it's seen better days.

Don't forget HBO's The Wire.

I lived in Fells Point for a year. That inner harbor is stunning, but Baltimore is crap. Its the busted ghetto version of DC. Abandoned row houses, massive crime, random criminals washing your windshield at the stop sign because they don't want a normal job, loiterers everywhere, trash all over the bad areas, rats, and everyone is dressed like a hobo bum (compared to DC where many places have a dress code).

If the riff-raff would just stop ruining the city, it would be great. But like many rundown inner cities, the inhabitants don't give a dam.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Rocko20

Don't forget HBO's The Wire.

I lived in Fells Point for a year. That inner harbor is stunning, but Baltimore is crap. Its the busted ghetto version of DC. Abandoned row houses, massive crime, random criminals washing your windshield at the stop sign because they don't want a normal job, loiterers everywhere, trash all over the bad areas, rats, and everyone is dressed like a hobo bum (compared to DC where many places have a dress code).

If the riff-raff would just stop ruining the city, it would be great. But like many rundown inner cities, the inhabitants don't give a dam.

That's what a lot of Baltimore boosters don't get (and that includes a large number of its elected officials), that TV series did more to bring attention to Baltimore than almost anything else, and it wasn't positive attention.

And then the blowback, that's still being felt, about the corruption of the Gun Trace Task Force.

Maryland focused issues with the school system, from the abysmal test scores, the graduation scandals, the money disappearing (a few years ago the system shut down during a heat wave. The question that was asked was what happened to the $50M special appropriation to air condition the schools from a couple years earlier. It couldn't be traced once it got to the school system).

[james777]

Originally Posted by bufflove

Not that population size particularly matters, but I wonder what the city's pop would look like if it had been able to annex land over the past 100+ years. At 80 miles squared, Baltimore's land area is tiny compared to all of the most populous cities in the US.

Baltimore (and DC, for that matter) are far, far more dense than the Sun Belt "cities" that now dominate the top 10. Heck, even our unincorporated suburbs like Towson and Columbia are more dense than Phoenix, Austin, San Antonio, etc.

As you said, Baltimore's area is small compared to the most populous cities of the US (NYC, LA, Chicago). However, Baltimore has a larger area than many major cities in the US, such as Washington, DC, Boston, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St Louis, Milwaukee, and San Francisco.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by james777

As you said, Baltimore's area is small compared to the most populous cities of the US (NYC, LA, Chicago). However, Baltimore has a larger area than many major cities in the US, such as Washington, DC, Boston, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St Louis, Milwaukee, and San Francisco.

Yeah, I was mostly talking about sunbelt cities that have rocketed into the top 10 most populous because their city boundaries are constantly expanded and include several rings of what would traditionally be considered suburbs. Baltimore's population size, tax base, and stature/influence would be very different today if its boundaries were similarly expanded over the last 100 years.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by james777

As you said, Baltimore's area is small compared to the most populous cities of the US (NYC, LA, Chicago). However, Baltimore has a larger area than many major cities in the US, such as Washington, DC, Boston, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, St Louis, Milwaukee, and San Francisco.

Of the 35 +2 million MSA's in the US, these are the only cities with smaller administrative limits than Baltimore.

Miami - 36 sq/mi
SF - 47 sq/mi
Boston - 48 sq/mi
Pittsburgh - 55 sq/mi
DC - 61 sq/mi
St. Louis - 62 sq/mi
Cleveland - 78 sq/mi
Cincinnati - 78 sq/mi
Baltimore - 81 sq/mi
Milwaukee - 96 sq/mi

Baltimore is denser than Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Milwaukee.