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If not for bosh and his stretch, the heat don't beat the spurs in the finals.
Spurs use stretch 4s to clear great success.
Kevin love shoots pretty well from 3, especially for a big man.
You can't knock a guy for doing what works
Dirk is a weak rebounder, he never averaged double figures in rebounding for even 1 season. bosh and love are both better rebounders, and dirk is a better 3 point shooter.
So Kevin love is one of the best rebounders in the league the last 5 years, leaps and bounds better than dirk or bosh. He shoots 3 pointers only SLIGHTLY lower % than dirk. His scoring is comparable to dirks, and his passing is better also. Their defense is fairly comparable in that it sucks equally.
All that, and dirk won an MVP and love should change his whole game and move to the post like a pf "should?"
Dirk is a weak rebounder, he never averaged double figures in rebounding for even 1 season. bosh and love are both better rebounders, and dirk is a better 3 point shooter.
Dirk is the better Defensive rebounder, Bosh is only better at Offensive rebounding.
Dirk = 9 seasons with at least 7.3 defensive rebounds per game
Bosh only has 2 seasons with 7.3 or more defensive RPG.
If not for bosh and his stretch, the heat don't beat the spurs in the finals.
Spurs use stretch 4s to clear great success.
Kevin love shoots pretty well from 3, especially for a big man.
You can't knock a guy for doing what works
I agree with you here. It's always nice to have big men who can stretch the floor because they can pull the opposing big man out of the lane and create driving lanes for the slashers. You don't want your big men spending all his time on the perimeter because then he can't rebound as much, but Love is the best rebounder in the league so that's not a problem.
Kevin Love is a pretty efficient offensive player averaging about 1.34 points per shot for his career. As a comparison
Kevin Durant 1.41
Dirk Nowitzki 1.36
Lebron James 1.37
Kobe Bryant 1.30
Michael Jordan 1.31
Tim Duncan 1.31
Kevin Garnett 1.23
Derrick Rose 1.20
Russell Westbrook 1.21
Ray Allen 1.29
Karl Malone 1.41
The downside of points per shot is that it is inflated for players that go to the line a lot. When you're fouled in the act of shooting it only counts as a field goal attempt if it goes in. If you hit the 2nd free throw the other team gets the ball, if you miss it the other team usually gets the defensive rebound. So you're still taking up a possession but not getting penalized for the field goal attempt. But all of these guys go to the foul line a lot so it probably doesn't matter that much. It's still a lot better metric than field goal percentage.
So he's not an inefficient scorer by any means, his FG% is just dragged down by his taking ~6 threes per game. If you compare his true shooting percentage you'll find the same thing. His TS% is about 61%. The last time he played a semi-full season in 2010-2011 he was 10th amongst power forwards in TS%, and about half those ahead of him were role players that played limited minutes (Brian Cardinal, Birdman, Josh McRoberts, Matt Bonner). The only stars ahead of him were Dirk Nowitzki and Dwight Howard.
My problem with love is that he can't guard anybody.
So Kevin love is one of the best rebounders in the league the last 5 years, leaps and bounds better than dirk or bosh. He shoots 3 pointers only SLIGHTLY lower % than dirk. His scoring is comparable to dirks, and his passing is better also. Their defense is fairly comparable in that it sucks equally.
All that, and dirk won an MVP and love should change his whole game and move to the post like a pf "should?"
That's ridiculous!
I wouldn't say their defense is comparable. Dirk, like Larry Bird, has never been a great individual defender but he is a pretty good team defender. Love is a bad individual defender and a worse team defender.
Love is averaging 4.5 assists per game this year but he averages 2.0 for his career (vs. 2.6 for Dirk, 3.1 for Duncan). Either his passing has greatly improved this year or that number is an early season aberration. I'm not ready to say that Love is a better passer based on ~10-11 games this year. He definitely has a nice chemistry with Kevin Martin (who IMO is one of the more underrated players in the league) going on though right now.
I wouldn't say their defense is comparable. Dirk, like Larry Bird, has never been a great individual defender but he is a pretty good team defender. Love is a bad individual defender and a worse team defender.
Love is averaging 4.5 assists per game this year but he averages 2.0 for his career (vs. 2.6 for Dirk, 3.1 for Duncan). Either his passing has greatly improved this year or that number is an early season aberration. I'm not ready to say that Love is a better passer based on ~10-11 games this year. He definitely has a nice chemistry with Kevin Martin (who IMO is one of the more underrated players in the league) going on though right now.
The fatal flaw in your argument is it takes a TEAM to play team defense.
Dirk has been on some decent defensive teams with good defenders around him while love has not.
As for passing, loves assist may be up because his teammates are making shots this year?
The fatal flaw in your argument is it takes a TEAM to play team defense.
Dirk has been on some decent defensive teams with good defenders around him while love has not.
As for passing, loves assist may be up because his teammates are making shots this year?
I'm not giving him all the blame for his team's poor defense by any means. They don't have a lot of good defensive players, but he's a large part of it. He plays a lot of matador defense, is slow on rotations, and is slow to get back on defense. You can play good team defense on a bad defensive team. If you put Kevin Garnett on a bad defensive team he's still going to play great team defense whether his teammates do or not.
Dirk got the same criticism early in his career too until he improved on defense. And he had a lot more team success early on. They won 40 games his 2nd year, 53 games his 3rd year, 57 games his 4th year, and 60 games his 5th year. In Kevin Love's first 5 seasons they've yet to win more than 31 games. Sure, Dirk had better teams, but not that much better.
Kevin Love has a pretty solid team this year so we'll have to wait and see what they do. IMO his team this year is pretty comparable to the teams Dirk had early on. They're on pace to win 52 games right now but they've played a somewhat weak schedule. So far their best wins are OKC minus Westbrook, LA minus Kobe, and Dallas. Not real impressive so far, but you have to play the schedule you're given. So as of right now I remain a little skeptical, though I did pick them to finish 7th in the West which probably will require a win total of ~45-46 games. Love has to prove himself before he's near the top of the not-Lebron-or-Durant crowd.
So Kevin love is one of the best rebounders in the league the last 5 years, leaps and bounds better than dirk or bosh. He shoots 3 pointers only SLIGHTLY lower % than dirk. His scoring is comparable to dirks, and his passing is better also. Their defense is fairly comparable in that it sucks equally.
All that, and dirk won an MVP and love should change his whole game and move to the post like a pf "should?"
That's ridiculous!
Dirk's team were also perennial 50 win teams. Dallas was at one point the second or third best team record-wise for a decade. Minnesota hasn't reached that level of success. They would have to have a phenomenal season to get to that point. I just don't think they have the talent to equal the type of success, especially in a loaded Western Conference.
So Kevin love is one of the best rebounders in the league the last 5 years, leaps and bounds better than dirk or bosh. He shoots 3 pointers only SLIGHTLY lower % than dirk. His scoring is comparable to dirks, and his passing is better also. Their defense is fairly comparable in that it sucks equally.
All that, and dirk won an MVP and love should change his whole game and move to the post like a pf "should?"
That's ridiculous!
where in my last post did i say Dirk should change his game? he is not a good rebounder, he is a great 3 point shooter, thus, its better for him to stretch the floor and make other PF's come out to defend them, while for love and bosh, they are better to stay inside the 3 point line since they are better rebounders, if their guards shoot a three, they are in a better position to grab a offensive rebound.
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