09-17-2012, 09:35 PM
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Yeah the Kohala Mountain road is my favorite drive. Its absolutely beautiful. I haven't looked at the car rental agreements recently, but like most other posters say, it was still in the contract for most car rental agencies as of two years ago. Of course I did see some Japanese tourist violate that agreement just this June when I went up to the summit. He was driving a Mustang. Not sure at what part he decided it was more prudent to turn around, but I was on my way down when I passed him going up. I am certain if something went wrong for him on that portion, he would have found himself in hot water. There is NO way any rental agreement other than the 4wd drive Jeeps would allow you to drive up to the summit. As for the road works, we eagerly anticipate the next section that goes from PTA to a smidge past the Waikola turnoff.
09-17-2012, 10:02 PM
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I cannot wait for the construction! It will be so nice to get to the beach faster! Of course, if I am not just trying to get from here to there and actually want to enjoy the drive, I will always choose the upper road! But I must admit, I like seeing the turkey on Saddle Road.
09-17-2012, 11:37 PM
Location: Hawai'i
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"Posts about mythical rental car company contracts" would more accurately be "posts with outdated car rental contract info". As PacificFlights pointed out, the postings about restrictions were not based on "myth".
Tomato, tomahto...
...the purpose of this topic was to let people know that the current postings that they shouldn't drive Saddle Road are not up to date.
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Yeah the Kohala Mountain road is my favorite drive. Its absolutely beautiful. I haven't looked at the car rental agreements recently, but like most other posters say, it was still in the contract for most car rental agencies as of two years ago. Of course I did see some Japanese tourist violate that agreement just this June when I went up to the summit. He was driving a Mustang. Not sure at what part he decided it was more prudent to turn around, but I was on my way down when I passed him going up. I am certain if something went wrong for him on that portion, he would have found himself in hot water. There is NO way any rental agreement other than the 4wd drive Jeeps would allow you to drive up to the summit. As for the road works, we eagerly anticipate the next section that goes from PTA to a smidge past the Waikola turnoff.
The topic of this thread is Saddle Road, but we did drive Kohala Mountain Road the day before. This is the first I've read that KMR would be against rental contracts. In fact, we'd never heard of the road until Friday when a friend, learning we were headed to Hawi the next day, told us about it. Why would you need 4WD for Kohala Mountain Road? We did just fine in our 2WD small truck. Beautiful road, just not for the faint of heart with the twisties. We took it on the way from Waimea to Hawi. Did we miss a 4WD-only turnoff to something crazy?
09-17-2012, 11:59 PM
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I agree that Saddle Road is a beautiful drive and I can imagine it must have been quite scary/hazardous not long ago. It is interesting to see what people from different areas consider dangerous. Yes, people can drive like lunatics on that road and yes, it's isolated but there are lunatics everywhere and it's not any more isolated than many places in California. At any rate, it's one of my favorite drives.
09-18-2012, 01:17 AM
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Tomato, tomahto...
...the purpose of this topic was to let people know that the current postings that they shouldn't drive Saddle Road are not up to date.
If anyone is uncertain of the current rules, they can ask their particular car rental company, and not rely on an anonymous internet forum.
09-18-2012, 02:55 AM
Location: Hawai'i
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If anyone is uncertain of the current rules, they can ask their particular car rental company, and not rely on an anonymous internet forum.
Smart! But not what people usually do...
09-18-2012, 11:50 AM
Location: North Idaho
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Smart! But not what people usually do...
That was my first thought, too. I don't quite understand why but for some reason the really obvious doesn't seem to be obvious to a lot of folks. Too many people sign without reading and don't bother to ask what is allowed and what isn't.
For a tourist, they wouldn't even know to ask, though, unless they had checked here first and learned that there is a saddle road and that car rental agencies don't permit it.
Just judging from the way they drive, I suspect that some tourists don't have any clue about where they are going or how to get there.
09-18-2012, 12:39 PM
Location: Hilo
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Tomato, tomahto...
...the purpose of this topic was to let people know that the current postings that they shouldn't drive Saddle Road are not up to date.
The topic of this thread is Saddle Road, but we did drive Kohala Mountain Road the day before. This is the first I've read that KMR would be against rental contracts. In fact, we'd never heard of the road until Friday when a friend, learning we were headed to Hawi the next day, told us about it. Why would you need 4WD for Kohala Mountain Road? We did just fine in our 2WD small truck. Beautiful road, just not for the faint of heart with the twisties. We took it on the way from Waimea to Hawi. Did we miss a 4WD-only turnoff to something crazy?
Aside from the part about Kohala Mountain Road being beautiful and somewhat of a non sequitur, the rest of the post was about Saddle Road. The 4WD was in reference to going to the summit of Mauna Kea off of Saddle Road.
09-18-2012, 01:56 PM
Location: Littleton, CO
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I drove Kohala Mountain Road, Saddle Road, South Point road, nothing there made me worry at all and even felt slightly dangerous.
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09-18-2012, 02:55 PM
Location: Volcano
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I drove Kohala Mountain Road, Saddle Road, South Point road, nothing there made me worry at all and even felt slightly dangerous...
I just have to say, I appreciate you checking back in with the forum to share your experiences... most people never seem to get around to it... and it's nice to get the feedback about what worked for you and what didn't. Although some of the answers can seem fairly random, sometimes even deluded, on a public forum like this, there are also a number of folks here who genuinely want to be help and have the real info.
The real trick is figuring out who is which!
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Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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