09-17-2012, 02:09 AM
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After reading so many posts about mythical rental car company contracts banning people from driving on Saddle Road, I feel compelled to share our experience from today.
We started the trek from Hilo driving my used 2WD car with anticipation and butterflies in our stomachs. Spouse wanted to drive it, so I got to really see all of the crazily beautiful terrain while he kept his eyes on the road.
OK, we drove through some clouds/fog, and there are some twists and turns, but geez...what a BEAUTIFUL road, paved flat as glass all except for the last 5-ish miles before Kona and even those were nicer than the nicest USVI roads we're used to. A little bumpy and gravelly but nothing dangerous.
Bottom line, it has apparently been modernized a lot in recent times. We probably will never drive it at night, due to its lack of facilities, but it's a beautiful, smooth road with reflectors embedded in it.
We rented a car our first week on Big Island and they didn't tell us not to drive on Saddle Road. Not that we asked, but it was not mentioned.
I don't doubt that until recently, perhaps this route was scary as heck, but I'm posting this to state that as of September 16, 2012, it's a pretty typical rural mountain route with smooth-as-glass pavement.
It was comforting to see the modern call boxes along the road as well.
It's not for everyone, if you don't like clouds/fog, remoteness, and twisties, you may want to skip it but if you've successfully driven N. Carolina/Tennessee/etc., Saddle Road is a piece o' cake.
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09-17-2012, 01:05 PM
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It is not a myth. The fact is rental car companies have prohibited travel on Saddle Road! FACT!!!!!!!
However, that roas has been undergoing MAJOR improvements for years. From the 2 lane (really only one as the road shoulders have crumbled in may paces to only 1 lane, if that) to the potholes that swallows mini-vans, the road WAS a heaping mess to the untrained and un famiiar tourist and newcommers.
If reading a post from 10+ years ago, yep rental car companies said No Saddle Road. Even 5 years ago, many restricted travel ony to the hilo to the look out road. The restrictions moved with the construction.
Today, I don;t think any have any prohabitions because of the improvements, but that doesn;t mean it was a myth. It was a fact for a long time.
09-17-2012, 01:11 PM
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It is not a myth. The fact is rental car companies have prohibited travel on Saddle Road! FACT!!!!!!!
I didn't say they never prohibited it. I never said the road never sucked. However, people are still
currently telling others that rental cars are prohibited. I am not reading old posts, I've been reading current ones. We rented from Budget and from Avis last month and they did not prohibit it. The reason for my post is to update information since people are still handing out old info.
09-17-2012, 01:19 PM
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But it's still not a MYTH!!!!!!!!!!!
There was no "mythical" rental car contract ban, it was a FACT!!!!!!!!!!!
09-17-2012, 01:24 PM
Location: Volcano
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After reading so many posts about mythical rental car company contracts banning people from driving on Saddle Road, I feel compelled to share our experience from today.
Fact is, the car rental restrictions on using Saddle Road were only dropped about a year ago. And they were in place for so long that they're still embedded deeply in lots of people's minds and mentioned in many blogs and websites.
And to that point, I was checking a car rental aggregation site only a couple of weeks ago to see if I could sniff out any special bargains for visiting friends, and was surprised to see the Saddle Road prohibition language still being quoted in their terms and conditions. I have no doubt that if my friends booked through that site the actual car rental company contract terms would prevail, but it was still odd to see it in print after so long.
Anyway, yes the main stretch is much more wonderful now, and the projects to realign the approaches from both ends will make it even nicer.
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09-17-2012, 03:54 PM
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And they were in place for so long that they're still embedded deeply in lots of people's minds and mentioned in many blogs and websites.
Exactly. Which is why I shared
current information .
09-17-2012, 04:04 PM
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It's also possible that the car rental companies are changing at a different rate. One company might have already taken the restriction off, and a different company might not have considered the change in the road, yet.
It sure sounds like it is well worth taking the drive.
09-17-2012, 04:42 PM
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It's really possible that they haven't caught up with making changes on their websites.
It sure is worth taking the drive, it was breathtaking! Spouse drove very carefully, but a friend of ours says he drives the whole thing doing about 75 MPH and makes it in an hour. Now that's just NUTS!!!!!
The day before, we took the mountain road route, 250, from Waimea to Hawi. It was a LOT scarier!!! But also incredibly beautiful.
We are enjoying our day trips exploring Big Island. What a totally wild, beautiful place. WOW!
09-17-2012, 06:52 PM
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It's also possible that the car rental companies are changing at a different rate. One company might have already taken the restriction off, and a different company might not have considered the change in the road, yet.
It sure sounds like it is well worth taking the drive.
It's a fantastic driveespecially when weather conditions allows for unobstructed sight as you head down from the mountains towards hilo. It's a trip worth taking just for the ability to essentialy go from the lush rain forest, up to the mars surface and back to the desert.
The reson many rentals may still have the saddle road restrictin is for 4 reasons.
1. Until the entire lenght iscompleted paved and offciial, they just leave the restrictuon in place. Years ago when only the east end was completed, restrictions were lifted and they still had the bad mishaps along the west end that prompted some to bring back the restrictions
2. Some have to consider the "services" on Saddle road. With the enw road its not that bad but getting a tow truck up to you can be expensive. So some continue the restrictions because they don;t want to deal with the cost of coming and getting you.
3. You have some maniac that drive saddle road and many tourist turn into maniac when they drive it.
4. they have not updated the info they have posted somewhere even though its no longer the practice.
09-17-2012, 09:15 PM
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It is easy enough for a customer who is renting a car on the Big Island to ask the representative at the counter if they are allowed to utilize Saddle Road. And the info could also be obtained ahead of time with a phone call to the Hilo/Kona rental station, in case a renter needs to "shop around" before arriving.
"Posts about mythical rental car company contracts" would more accurately be "posts with outdated car rental contract info". As PacificFlights pointed out, the postings about restrictions were not based on "myth".
Yes, the road is greatly improved. Last time I traveled it, the Waikoloa end was still somewhat of a beater though, and I don't know if they've fixed it (even temp) yet. I do know someone who recently got a speeding ticket on the tempting-to-speed fancy smooth straight section. (Not me!)
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)