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Proposition 37 was on the vote in California in 2012 and guess what? Was rejected!!!
People say they want this then big money gets pumped into the campaign and the people forget all about it and believe whatever big money tells them. So forget about what the polls say, they said the same thing in Cali the years before the vote.
Put a high price tag on a vote to go to war. Drive that with a multimillion dollar campaign of fear to eventually lose your business, job, home, or loved ones.
Take the predictable outcome to verify that wars are not needed.
The popularity of anything does not trump the Constitution.
Popularity has everything to do with consumer behavior. Making food a politically solved issue doesn't taste right. A complicated and ill enforced organic labeling system was never meant to be for the amount of consumers relying on them now to avoid GMO. These are increasingly wary buyers who previously bought conventionally grown foods and shy away from them now because they learn about the increasing usage of GMOs.
There are great market opportunities because the market is in flux and consumers are willing to spent more money for premium local foods with verifiable origins. Even teenagers shift from fashion to foods in their spending habits. Grocery stores learn to present in ever appealing ways greatly marked up food items. Processed food mass marketers are in trouble. NAbisco, General Foods, Nestle watching how Quest and Clif bars bust the candy bastions at checkout counters with nutritious, low sugar items.
Markets regulate themselves. The core principle of our American capitalism is a regulated market economy. Where the consumers decide. Not doctors ( then we would have no obesity). Not scientists (then we would all have astronaut food). Not corporate lawyers made into politicians and judges (then we would all have GMO foods).
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No lecture needed reg. racial segregation: That's pure agitation. Read the forum rules from time to time.
No, OpenD, you got it wrong again. This is not about scientific research facts.
This, if it please the court, is the crux of the matter. Our facts vs their superstition.
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NAbisco, General Foods, Nestle watching how Quest and Clif bars bust the candy bastions at checkout counters with nutritious, low sugar items.
Yes, and after a decade in the marketplace, the total of all Clif products sold was $340 Million in 2012, about 10% of the $3.57 Billion sales in Snickers bars alone, or $3.44 Billion in M&Ms, not to mention Twix and many other popular candy brands. Compared to nothing, Clif bars are doing great. Compared to everything else, they're a drop in the bucket. And that's a fairly good approximation of how many people are willing to pay higher prices for organic, or healthy, or any of the other things they think are a good idea in the abstract, but don't want to spend extra for.
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Markets regulate themselves. The core principle of our American capitalism is a regulated market economy. Where the consumers decide. Not doctors ( then we would have no obesity). Not scientists (then we would all have astronaut food). Not corporate lawyers made into politicians and judges (then we would all have GMO foods).
Indeed, American housewives overwhelmingly give lip service to believing in Organic food, yadda yadda, and just as overwhelmingly vote with their pocketbooks that the majority won't pay extra for Organic.
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No lecture needed reg. racial segregation: That's pure agitation. Read the forum rules from time to time.
Not at all, since I had no intention whatsoever to agitate, but merely wanted to reference a couple of issues in which the Constitutional prohibition involved is clear, and yet which people are well known to have issues with .
As opposed to, say, the following comment, in which the intent to troll the discussion with a completely off topic and unrelated argument, presented in an inflammatory way, is quite evident.
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The constitution allows the killing of unborn citizens without a trial and without giving a reason. By popular vote. But for a friggin GMO food label a 'popular' vote is unwarranted?!?
Want to get into THAT issue? Really? Please take it to the Politics & Other Controversies forum.
A recent New York Times poll found that 93% of Americans favor labeling of GMO food:
Yes – 96% ...... 93% .......Yes – 95%........– 95%.......95 percent ........ 78 percent........93% ....... 90% ..........* 90% of American farmers .........* 75% ....* 86%....* 79% ........ 86% ........* 81% ....... 89% .........* 92% .................................................. .
That's a pretty impressive amount of studies all scoring in the same percentile over 20 years.
Look at those high numbers. That must be why Oregonians voted to defeat GMO labeling this fall. The "90% of farmers" supporting labeling must have been a survey of small organic farms, because I know a lot of farmers and not one of them supports GMO labeling. The Farm Bureau doesn't support GMO labeling.
As for the cost of labeling, yes it is quite high. The actual sticker is cheap, but you can't slap a cheap label on food until you know which is GMO and which isn't. That means 100% separated food chains for GMO and non-GMO. No equipment or processing can be ever used for both. That's a lot of equipment to be duplicated.
Seriously, if you want to avoid GMO foods, head down to your local health food store and buy all your groceries there. I've heard so much about how labeling won't make the food cost more that I am certain that the organic non-GMO food at the health food store must cost exactly the same as food in the regular grocery store.
...futile attempts by anti-science activists to pass agenda-driven laws...
and has to then, after 12 pages, call the moderators & forum rules for help is, well, kind of ridiculous.
Ironic... after 12 pages I'm still posting easily verifiable facts on the topic, while s/he is still posting personal comments about me. That's more than ridiculous, it's beyond reason...
Here's another bit of fact to chew on... the principle upon which the Maui regulation was overturned by the Court is that the County has no legal authority to pass such regulations, that authority residing instead with the state under the Hawai'i Constitution.
Furthermore, if if the state itself were to pass such a regulation, it would certainly be challenged on the basis that the authority to regulate approvals for cultivation of GMOs and of pesticide use falls to the US government.
Looking strictly at the GMO portion of the law that was struck down, it seems highly unlikely that the anti-science activists pushing this regulation could prove a need for such restrictions to the courts' satisfaction, when the mainstream scientific community overwhelmingly supports the position that these foods are safe.
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Nonetheless there is broad consensus that GMOs are safe. The World Health Organization states that “GM foods currently available on the international market have passed risk assessments and are not likely to present risks for human health.” The American Medical Association and the American Association for the Advancement of Science oppose the labeling of GM foods because no scientific evidence of harm has been found. A 2011 University of Nottingham School of Biosciences review of 12 long-term studies and 12 multi-generational studies of GM foods found no evidence of health hazards, and determined that GM plants “can be safely used in food and feed.”
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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And then I started grappling with global hunger issues, and came to realize, like Mark Lynas did later, that we need GMOs
OD, do you realize that in addition to genetically modifying water, why, there are studies underway to genetically modify salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, OD, children's ice cream!!!!
OD, do you realize that in addition to genetically modifying water, why, there are studies underway to genetically modify salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, OD, children's ice cream!!!!
Omigard, we're all DOOOOOOMMMMMED!!
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