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Old 12-16-2014, 02:34 AM
 
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WOW!
You can teach an old dog new tricks!

I'm not sure what you mean. There was certainly nothing disrespectful in my comment - just an honest question. No hidden meanings. Sometimes it just is what it is.
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Old 12-16-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Perhaps he meant he learned something himself? Most folks post things relating to themselves, after all.

Back to the OP's topic:
How long of a time frame is best to consider when trying to determine a "real estate sales trend", anyway? Sometimes it will bump and bobble, yet show a general overall trend one way or another. Are we supposed to look back six months, a year, two years or what to actually figure out which way it's going?

Currently, the Big Island has the lava heading off towards Pahoa and threatening to cut off most of Lower Puna from easy access to Hilo and the rest of the island. That has really dropped prices in the Puna area which is one of the largest housing areas on the island. So, that would modify the sales stats, although, only on part of the island and not the whole thing.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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Here's the notice that Trulia has on their website: Copyright © 2014 Trulia, Inc. All rights reserved.

And here's the headline from the Terms of Service here...

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Just because something is pasted with copyright messages doesn't mean that every ASCII character on their web site is copyrighted. We're not lawyers and aren't qualified to make these distinctions. If everybody followed that advice the only thing on the internet would be spam. Take some of your own advice and RELAX.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Just because something is pasted with copyright messages doesn't mean that every ASCII character on their web site is copyrighted. We're not lawyers and aren't qualified to make these distinctions.
But everyone on this site is qualified to follow the rules the owners have posted here. And they say, at the top of every forum "No copyrighted material," with additional details about what they mean in the Terms of Service.

Just follow the simple, plain English rules here and everyone can relax.
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Old 12-19-2014, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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But everyone on this site is qualified to follow the rules the owners have posted here. And they say, at the top of every forum "No copyrighted material," with additional details about what they mean in the Terms of Service.

Just follow the simple, plain English rules here and everyone can relax.
I have read your post on "No copyrighted material" and conducted an investigation of my own behavior here and have come to the conclusion that I may have failed to meet the Terms of Service.

Because I lack all of the degrees, certifications, licensing, and experience required to be a lawyer specializing in intellectual property laws, I cannot recognize every instance of "copyrighted material" when I see it. I am excited that you meet all of these requirements. Please, continue to offer your expert legal opinions when you see us scofflaws violating copyright laws, international intellectual property treaties, patent and trademark infringements, or any other violations that you feel needs policing. We appreciate the service that you are offering all of us, and it will help us to be more compliant in the future. I will re-read the Terms of Service, maybe even print them out for future reference, and moving forward, it would be my wish to consult an expert intellectual property rights attorney before posting any information that could help others. Unfortunately, I can't actually afford to do that. I will have to continue to defer to the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. Until of course, an expert tells me I am in error.

I understand the concept that copyright laws were put into place to protect the intellectual property of others, however I also understand the concept of public domain, and that just because something is labeled as intellectual property, doesn't always make it so. Thank you for being here to help us navigate this difficult legal conundrum. Without you, I'm not sure if I could ever post information again.

Moving forward, I will consider the potential legal ramifications before being helpful to others.

Again, thank you for this opportunity to demonstrate my dedication to compliance. I take the Terms of Service seriously, and will endeavor to meet them fully in the future.

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Old 12-20-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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Because I lack all of the degrees, certifications, licensing, and experience required to be a lawyer specializing in intellectual property laws, I cannot recognize every instance of "copyrighted material" when I see it.
Let me simplify it for you... if someone else created something... wrote something, took a picture, drew a chart... they have a copyright on that work, and you need to get their permission to copy it legally. Or to post it here.*

A copyright notice is not required for the copyright to be valid. A notice simply makes enforcement easier.

In any case, what I was referring to are the rules on this forum, which everyone posting here has agreed to.


*Exceptions: Government information is copyright free. Brief excerpts from articles may be posted, with link back to the source.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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Let me simplify it for you... if someone else created something... wrote something, took a picture, drew a chart... they have a copyright on that work, and you need to get their permission to copy it legally. Or to post it here.*

A copyright notice is not required for the copyright to be valid. A notice simply makes enforcement easier.

In any case, what I was referring to are the rules on this forum, which everyone posting here has agreed to.


*Exceptions: Government information is copyright free. Brief excerpts from articles may be posted, with link back to the source.
Glad you clarified that, I was reading through the thread and also didn't know what you were talking about. Actually, I bet most people don't understand the terms of service required by CD, even after reading it. We have many uneducated folks on here, like me!

But I digress, good thread, interesting to learn about the local real estate market on the Big Island.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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Let me simplify it for you... if someone else created something... wrote something, took a picture, drew a chart... they have a copyright on that work, and you need to get their permission to copy it legally. Or to post it here.*

A copyright notice is not required for the copyright to be valid. A notice simply makes enforcement easier.

In any case, what I was referring to are the rules on this forum, which everyone posting here has agreed to.


*Exceptions: Government information is copyright free. Brief excerpts from articles may be posted, with link back to the source.
I wrote three small poems today:

Thanks OpenD (c)

Thank you OpenD (c)

OpenD, thanks (c)

Three small poems, all three copyrighted by myself. I appreciate that if you see any of them posted here, or anywhere, you will have them deleted under the Terms of Service. Also, under trademark laws I also claim any logical variances.

Again, thank you for helping all of us come into compliance.
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:53 AM
 
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I wrote three small poems today:

Thanks OpenD (c)

Thank you OpenD (c)

OpenD, thanks (c)

Three small poems, all three copyrighted by myself. I appreciate that if you see any of them posted here, or anywhere, you will have them deleted under the Terms of Service. Also, under trademark laws I also claim any logical variances.

Again, thank you for helping all of us come into compliance.
Nice try, but
By registering and posting on City-Data.com's Forums you grant owners ofCity-data.com forum a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive right to license,use, modify, or publish your posts in any media and manner whatsoever.

Not sure why a thread about real-estate prices devolved into a tiff about terms of service, which are reasonably straight forward.


Have a great day! And Merry Christmas.

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Old 12-21-2014, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Smithville, TX
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I wrote three small poems today:

Thanks OpenD (c)

Thank you OpenD (c)

OpenD, thanks (c)

Three small poems, all three copyrighted by myself. I appreciate that if you see any of them posted here, or anywhere, you will have them deleted under the Terms of Service. Also, under trademark laws I also claim any logical variances.

Again, thank you for helping all of us come into compliance.

I applaud your creativity!

Rust
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