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being there only a few months of the year is a recipe for failure. As was mentioned theft will be a huge concern. When the wrong people find out you are gone for months your building materials and off-grid stuff will be gone soon as well. .
I agree with this.
I think you would be better off in the long run with a nice large tent or a portable yurt along with a small generator and some camping gear. Have a port a potty delivered to site while you are there. And then move everything into a secure professionally run storage facility when you leave. Basically create a campsite.
Leaving anything there will mean replacing it every time you visit.
It sounds like owning a property in the Puna district isn't practical, since you'd only be there about 60 days a year, and theft is out of control. Perhaps there's no interest in making examples of the criminals, locking them up, and throwing away the key, in Hawaii. Short term rentals seem more practical if you're only going to be in Hawaii, or any other state only 60 days a year.
However, what you're proposing with the camper or RV would be very easy to do in Florida. There are many RV and camper sites in Florida and there are many storage facilities. The weather isn't quite as good in Florida, but many other things are better, such as healthcare, much lower cost of living, and no state income tax, so your standard of living would be higher in Florida. Maybe choosing Hawaii is the wrong state for you.
I think its the isolation of these types of lots. That and the district of Puna is the size of Oahu. I've heard of entire houses (small kine) being dismantled and every scrap of lumber and building material stolen. The saying "everything not nailed down will be gone" does not apply. They will pull the nails. Often the victim will spot a new addition or his house being rebuilt a few lots away. There is nothing you can do either. How do you prove it's yours? The cops won't do anything.
I knew this guy when i went to UH Hilo. He had borrowed like $40K in student loans with the sole intention of building a little house in Hawaiian Acres. He bought the lot and every semester would get more money and buy more lumber and keep building. 2 years in the meth-heads next door decided he was their new target. They watched him come and go to school and work and when he was gone they would raid his house. Every day he would come home and more of his house was gone and the next-door neighbors would be busy building with his lumber. He eventually confronted them and they told him if he said anything he would end up in a lava tube.
Another friend had a 40 ft container shipped from California full of all of his tools and a ton of lumber. He came home one day to find the padlock cut off with a plasma cutter and the entire contents of the container empty. This was in HPP. Building materials are like gold in Puna as there are literally hundreds of people looking to build a shelter and not enough money to do it.
Maybe a lot in HOVE or somewhere without any jungle? Along with an RV that could be stored somewhere off the lot like at a storage locker facility? When you visit, you'd be able to tow the RV out to the lot and then tow it away when you left.
Maybe a lot in HOVE or somewhere without any jungle? Along with an RV that could be stored somewhere off the lot like at a storage locker facility? When you visit, you'd be able to tow the RV out to the lot and then tow it away when you left.
Agreed - as long as the RV does not spend more than 30 days at a time on the land.
Once you go past 30 days you have potential problems which you may or may not encounter depending if you get caught.
Agreed - as long as the RV does not spend more than 30 days at a time on the land.
Once you go past 30 days you have potential problems which you may or may not encounter depending if you get caught.
Could a person buy two lots and move the RV back and between the two lots? Or, is there also a limit how many days a year, or some long time period that an RV can be parked on the land?
But it seems like it would be an unacceptable area to live if you can’t leave your property without worrying about rampant theft by criminals who have no fear of arrest, and no fear of being shot and killed by the homeowners. If the theft problems are so rampant, it should be very easy for the police to set up entrapments to catch the criminals like rats, arrest them, and have the courts sentence the repeat offenders to long prison terms. The imprisoned criminals would serve as examples to other potential criminals, and would reduce the crime rate. But It seems that there’s no will to change the system, to improve life for the honest, law abiding citizens, instead protect the criminals, so that part of the Big Island would need to be abandoned by the respectable law abiding citizens.
Could a person buy two lots and move the RV back and between the two lots? Or, is there also a limit how many days a year, or some long time period that an RV can be parked on the land?
It would just be easier to buy a big enough lot and park it out of sight and hope nobody notices or complains. Not much different than building an unpermitted home for which you will find plenty on all the islands. There are all sort of illegal structures.
An RV/Mobile Home cannot used on your land for residential purposes greater than 30 days. I doubt moving a mobile home off of the property resets the clock. Are there people living in some sort of mobile home - I would say, more likely than not - it just isn't legal. Nothing stopping the Op from getting an RV (if one can find one in Hawaii or shipping one at great expense) and parking/living in it on land you own. Would it still be there when Op is gone the rest of the year is a different discussion.
Trailer/Mobile Home parks, while not explicitly banned - are effectively banned. There is no zoning to accommodate them.
Could a person buy two lots and move the RV back and between the two lots? Or, is there also a limit how many days a year, or some long time period that an RV can be parked on the land?
But it seems like it would be an unacceptable area to live if you can’t leave your property without worrying about rampant theft by criminals who have no fear of arrest, and no fear of being shot and killed by the homeowners. If the theft problems are so rampant, it should be very easy for the police to set up entrapments to catch the criminals like rats, arrest them, and have the courts sentence the repeat offenders to long prison terms. The imprisoned criminals would serve as examples to other potential criminals, and would reduce the crime rate. But It seems that there’s no will to change the system, to improve life for the honest, law abiding citizens, instead protect the criminals, so that part of the Big Island would need to be abandoned by the respectable law abiding citizens.
When a community gets too fed up with the level of theft, then they will usually start a Community Watch program and get pro-active about watching. About three decades ago, one of the big Puna subs had an active CW program that could have several pick up trucks of Community Watch folks arriving in a driveway within several minutes after a CB radio call. (This was prior to internet and cell phones.) Theft went from thousands of incidents per month down to three or four. A community based program is much more effective than asking the very small police force to step in. That may be an example of how things are different in Hawaii, I dunno how they're done on the mainland.
This idea of 'shot and killed' as some sort of option against theft is not pono. That shouldn't ever be considered as an option. Ever. This ain't the mainland, don't bring that kind of thinking over here.
It would just be easier to buy a big enough lot and park it out of sight and hope nobody notices or complains. Not much different than building an unpermitted home for which you will find plenty on all the islands. There are all sort of illegal structures.
An RV/Mobile Home cannot used on your land for residential purposes greater than 30 days. I doubt moving a mobile home off of the property resets the clock. Are there people living in some sort of mobile home - I would say, more likely than not - it just isn't legal. Nothing stopping the Op from getting an RV (if one can find one in Hawaii or shipping one at great expense) and parking/living in it on land you own. Would it still be there when Op is gone the rest of the year is a different discussion.
Trailer/Mobile Home parks, while not explicitly banned - are effectively banned. There is no zoning to accommodate them.
Hmm, come to think of it, there may not be any zoning for a traditional mainland style trailer park. i.e. small lots close together. There is Plantation Zoning which allows for small sized lots, but that's a specific zoning for when the plantation villages were turned into private houses. Not a zoning that can be used for anther purpose.
For a trailer park, you'd need some sort of property that could have multiple dwellings. There'd be a large portion left over, maybe for pasture? Or one big estate and then a few trailers in the corner? Then, if there's a concentration of trailers, what about sewage? There's a limitation as to how many bathrooms per septic tank and a limitation to how many septic tanks per property. Not many areas are serviced by sewage treatment plants, but you may need one for a trailer park.
Well, nobody has asked me to draft up plans for a trailer park, so I've never had to officially look up the details. Maybe sometime when/if things get really boring, I'll go look into it.
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