Is Boston having the same problems with "crime" as many blue cities like SF, LA, NYC, Portland, Chicago, etc.

[PureBoston]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

That's a reduction of less than 2%. I'd hardly call this "all the Californians" leaving. California has for many years seen low-income people leave while high-income people come. This isn't new, and it's not surprising that low-income people would leave at a higher rate as housing prices skyrocket.

Yes, rightwing media concoctions. They've been making these claims for years. The tales of an exodus from California just aren't true.

From the report: "troubling.....is that California is losing population at all income levels." And yes, the recent exodus is unprecedented. Why is any of this so hard for you to admit?

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by PureBoston

You, yourself do nothing but perpetuate the divide. Everything....everything.....is left and right to you, red and blue. You probably aren't even aware of it. You're arguably the greatest offender here. I'm a Democrat that believes Republicans have a lot of good ideas that we should listen to. Seriously, how are we doing without them?

Last I checked, this is a public forum, and the very title of the thread references "blue" cities. I take pains to refrain from making my replies personal, which obviously you don't.

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by PureBoston

From the report: "troubling.....is that California is losing population at all income levels."

I never said only low-income folks leave California.

Are you honestly trying to look at this in an unbiased manner? It's hard for me to believe so. I don't know how you could possibly read my comment and think I was saying only low-income people leave. Every state has people from all income categories come and go. And people leaving because a place has gotten too expensive for them doesn't imply that place is "hell" or has poor raw desirability. It just means they can't afford it. I think this point is still being missed.

And, from your own report, the driver of all of this is housing prices, not raw desirability, which you have implied. I've said from the beginning that people leave desirable places due to cost constraints. If you look at the graph showing income categories and net migration, you'll see that, prior to Covid, the historical trend is positive net migration among high-income folks and negative among low-income folks.

[PureBoston]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

I never said only low-income folks leave California.

Are you honestly trying to look at this in an unbiased manner? It's hard for me to believe so. I don't know how you could possibly read my comment and think I was saying only low-income people leave. Every state has people from all income categories come and go. And people leaving because a place has gotten too expensive for them doesn't imply that place is "hell" or has poor raw desirability. It just means they can't afford it. I think this point is still being missed.

And, from your own report, the driver of all of this is housing prices, not raw desirability, which you have implied. I've said from the beginning that people leave desirable places due to cost constraints. If you look at the graph showing income categories and net migration, you'll see that, prior to Covid, the historical trend is positive net migration among high-income folks and negative among low-income folks.

Right wing concoctions, now covid. Space aliens?

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

I never said only low-income folks leave California.

Are you honestly trying to look at this in an unbiased manner? It's hard for me to believe so. I don't know how you could possibly read my comment and think I was saying only low-income people leave. Every state has people from all income categories come and go. And people leaving because a place has gotten too expensive for them doesn't imply that place is "hell" or has poor raw desirability. It just means they can't afford it. I think this point is still being missed.

And, from your own report, the driver of all of this is housing prices, not raw desirability, which you have implied. I've said from the beginning that people leave desirable places due to cost constraints. If you look at the graph showing income categories and net migration, you'll see that, prior to Covid, the historical trend is positive net migration among high-income folks and negative among low-income folks.

It's not just the people who can't afford it leaving. People leave for better weather, people leave if they don't like the direction of the politics.

Are there people who can't afford what they want in MA? Absolutely. There are also people who can't afford what they want in many states.

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by PureBoston

Right wing concoctions, now covid. Space aliens?

The rightwing media have been reporting an exodus from California for years. Even now, there's no exodus. This is indeed a rightwing media concoction because they want to paint California politics as being so undesirable that even people who live there are dying to leave.

Take off your red/blue goggle for a moment and think about the situation in an unbiased fashion. California's negative net migration doesn't mean it's undesirable. It means it's too expensive (per your own report).

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by msRB311

It's not just the people who can't afford it leaving. People leave for better weather, people leave if they don't like the direction of the politics.

Are there people who can't afford what they want in MA? Absolutely. There are also people who can't afford what they want in many states.

Per the report the other user linked to, the cause of the negative net migration figure is high housing costs.

[msRB311]

The problem is the nicer parts of MA and CA are too expensive for many. No one wants to live in the ****ty parts.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

Per the report the other user linked to, the cause of the negative net migration figure is high housing costs.

I would say that's a big part of it. A lot of it comes down to people not wanting to pay 1M for a 3 bedroom starter home. Maybe they don't have the money or maybe they do, but want something better.

You make it seems like MA is this superior state that only the wealthy can afford. This may be the case for the nicer towns around greater Boston but that's about it. There is a lot to dislike about MA - commuting, traffic, poor housing stock, the weather, lack of winter activities (if you don't ski and cant take off up north to another state).

[PureBoston]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

The rightwing media have been reporting an exodus from California for years. Even now, there's no exodus. This is indeed a rightwing media concoction because they want to paint California politics as being so undesirable that even people who live there are dying to leave.

Take off your red/blue goggle for a moment and think about the situation in an unbiased fashion. California's negative net migration doesn't mean it's undesirable. It means it's too expensive (per your own report).

Liberal and conservative media have both been reporting it for years. Because......it's a fact? And unbiased? Your every post is a rant against the "right wing".