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Old 11-06-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Isn't SU a private school? UB, Buff State and ECC are State schools?
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Old 11-06-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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Isn't SU a private school? UB, Buff State and ECC are State schools?
I already mentioned Canisius College, D'Youville and Medaille. You could also look into other private institutions that are exempt and use city services as well. Trocaire is another one.

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Old 11-06-2019, 03:33 PM
 
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I already mentioned Canisius College, D'Youville and Medaille. You could also look into other private institutions that are exempt and use city services as well. Trocaire is another one.
I doubt if they would make a difference. The post is not about Universities being tax exempt. You have gone off on a completely different tangent. If you aren't in politics CK, you should consider running for office.

Here is a direct quote from the article:

"A significant portion of tax-exempt property — about $800 million, according to a study by Buffalo’s control board — is the result of tax incentives granted to projects in the name of “economic development.” Washington cited as an example the city’s scandalous application of the 485-a tax-exemption program, which, he said, allows some of the “most valuable, and should be most taxable, properties in the city to not pay their fair share.”

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Old 11-06-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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I doubt if they would make a difference. The post is not about Universities being tax exempt. You have gone off on a completely different tangent. If you aren't in politics CK, you should consider running for office.

Here is a direct quote from the article:

"A significant portion of tax-exempt property — about $800 million, according to a study by Buffalo’s control board — is the result of tax incentives granted to projects in the name of “economic development.” Washington cited as an example the city’s scandalous application of the 485-a tax-exemption program, which, he said, allows some of the “most valuable, and should be most taxable, properties in the city to not pay their fair share.”

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Tax except status might be reduced or end, NY State has a $ 4 Billion Deficit coming in 2020
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Old 11-06-2019, 10:58 PM
 
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I doubt if they would make a difference. The post is not about Universities being tax exempt. You have gone off on a completely different tangent. If you aren't in politics CK, you should consider running for office.

Here is a direct quote from the article:

"A significant portion of tax-exempt property — about $800 million, according to a study by Buffalo’s control board — is the result of tax incentives granted to projects in the name of “economic development.” Washington cited as an example the city’s scandalous application of the 485-a tax-exemption program, which, he said, allows some of the “most valuable, and should be most taxable, properties in the city to not pay their fair share.”

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No, I offered an example of a tax exempt instituting that has offered to pay for services that they use from the city they are in. So, I addressed the tax exempt aspect of the article in terms of a way to get revenue. No tangent involved and why context within the thread is important.

I also actually addressed another aspect of the article in my first post in regards to considering consolidation of services in a way that the tax burden would be lowered(i.e.- School districting, law enforcement structure, etc.).

As for the incentives, it goes back to what I just posted. They are a necessary evil and this isn’t exclusive to Buffalo, but if you lower the burden via structure, they may not be as extensive as they already are and instead of delaying tax payment, which is what the incentives do, they could be paid immediately.

Now back to you, given your supposed business experience, what do you think should be done?
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Old 11-07-2019, 05:58 AM
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Tax except status might be reduced or end, NY State has a $ 4 Billion Deficit coming in 2020
And how many new taxes and fees going in place to help cover that? New York never removes a sacred cow (such as eligibility for tax exemption) once its in place.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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No, I offered an example of a tax exempt instituting that has offered to pay for services that they use from the city they are in. So, I addressed the tax exempt aspect of the article in terms of a way to get revenue. No tangent involved and why context within the thread is important.

I also actually addressed another aspect of the article in my first post in regards to considering consolidation of services in a way that the tax burden would be lowered(i.e.- School districting, law enforcement structure, etc.).

As for the incentives, it goes back to what I just posted. They are a necessary evil and this isn’t exclusive to Buffalo, but if you lower the burden via structure, they may not be as extensive as they already are and instead of delaying tax payment, which is what the incentives do, they could be paid immediately.

Now back to you, given your supposed business experience, what do you think should be done?
I think as long as there is a one party government, nothing will be done. So any reforms are just a pie in the sky and there will be continued increased spending and taxes. For example, I dated a teacher and she got 3 or 400 a day for a few weeks in the summer to come in, do nothing and go home. There is so much apathy in WNY that people just accept the status quo. Those that want change, move away, since nothing will ever get done.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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I also actually addressed another aspect of the article in my first post in regards to considering consolidation of services in a way that the tax burden would be lowered(i.e.- School districting, law enforcement structure, etc.).


I know you are always talking about consolidating services to lower the tax burden, and I agree.


First step-----All entities receiving taxpayer money must open their books to an unbiased audit. How can the problem be solved without knowing where you stand? I know they already get audited, but do you really believe the results?
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Old 11-07-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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I think as long as there is a one party government, nothing will be done. So any reforms are just a pie in the sky and there will be continued increased spending and taxes. For example, I dated a teacher and she got 3 or 400 a day for a few weeks in the summer to come in, do nothing and go home. There is so much apathy in WNY that people just accept the status quo. Those that want change, move away, since nothing will ever get done.
Well, wanting and displaying change are two different things. The latter means that there has to be some type of plan.

JW, I don't know if it is a matter of the audit versus the fact that there is this game of tit for tat. Meaning, "I'll develop this/relocate my company, etc. if you do this for me". As mentioned in articles/data, this isn't even exclusive to Buffalo or NY State.
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