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Again, not all of the population increase for Erie County is from refugee resettlement. Many millennials have moved to the city/county as well due to the relative affordability.
Also, as you've even stated in other threads about Rochester, estimates have been known to be off in relation to the official census, as that has occurred in the recent past for other parts of the state.
To the other post and as mentioned, there are many households that make well over $200k in the immediate area and in close enough proximity to the stadium. It would be different if the stadium wasn't in driving distance to so many people, but it is and to just use the Buffalo area is shortsighted. Even the NFL, as I posted earlier counts the "local area" as 75 miles from stadium during the time it considered blackouts. So, even if you used that criteria, you are including Monroe County, Ontario County and many other counties, let alone the other side of the border or Onondaga County where Syracuse is located a little bit further out. So, that has to be considered in this as well.
Immigrants and refugees make up a significant portion of population gain in nearly every city in the US. Buffalo is actually under-represented in the number of new arrivals compared to most US cities, and is growing anyway.
Immigrants and refugees make up a significant portion of population gain in nearly every city in the US. Buffalo is actually under-represented in the number of new arrivals compared to most US cities, and is growing anyway.
That is true, but Buffalo has a significantly higher percentage. There are consequences of a one party government, a green agenda, high taxes, lack of quality jobs and business unfriendly regulations.
That is true, but Buffalo has a significantly higher percentage. There are consequences of a one party government, a green agenda, high taxes, lack of quality jobs and business unfriendly regulations.
He just stated that it is actually lower than most and even if you look at the population increase for Erie County, it can't be all from refugees and immigrants.
This is getting so away from the topic anyway, but the fact remains that to use just the metro area in regards to the NFL would be a mistake, given that it is only a one day a week league. So, you can and do get fans in the stands from other nearby areas as well.
To close the loop on this, of the top 50 metro areas Buffalo comes in 47th in number of foreign born, and 45th in percentage of foreign born. Another way of stating this is that only 3 large metro areas have fewer foreign born than Buffalo, and only 5 large metro areas have a lower percentage of foreign born than Buffalo.
To put this into perspective, Miami in 2022 gained 67,000 foreign immigrants arriving in just that one year; Jacksonville gained 4,300; and Buffalo gained 2,500.
To close the loop on this, of the top 50 metro areas Buffalo comes in 47th in number of foreign born, and 45th in percentage of foreign born. Another way of stating this is that only 3 large metro areas have fewer foreign born than Buffalo, and only 5 large metro areas have a lower percentage of foreign born than Buffalo.
To put this into perspective, Miami in 2022 gained 67,000 foreign immigrants arriving in just that one year; Jacksonville gained 4,300; and Buffalo gained 2,500.
And that fits pretty well with my original statement that 18,000 of the 2010-2020 population gain were refugees. I never rated it compared to other cities
And that fits pretty well with my original statement that 18,000 of the 2010-2020 population gain were refugees. I never rated it compared to other cities
I think the point is that the growth isn't strictly from refugees and immigrants for the county/area. The county grew by 35,000+ people during that time period.
Again, no matter the attempts to slice and dice the topic, the stadium is getting built: https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/sta...94764246458810 and the people that can buy tickets covers a relatively population within a few hours of the stadium. If anything, that may come into play in terms of those that are willing to pay for season tickets.
"Buffalo has always benefited from the contributions of recent arrivals. Between 2006 and 2013, the foreign-born population in Buffalo increased by 95 percent, and the most recent American Community Survey reports that the city is home to over 22,000 foreign-born residents."
The point is that immigration has ameliorated the loss of middle and upper class people that have fled NYS. According to the Census, NYS lost 525,000 people since 2020. So even with the influx of immigrants NYS is losing population.
Your quote:
"the people that can buy tickets covers a relatively population within a few hours of the stadium. If anything, that may come into play in terms of those that are willing to pay for season tickets." The same can be said for any team in any sport in any city.
"Buffalo has always benefited from the contributions of recent arrivals. Between 2006 and 2013, the foreign-born population in Buffalo increased by 95 percent, and the most recent American Community Survey reports that the city is home to over 22,000 foreign-born residents."
The point is that immigration has ameliorated the loss of middle and upper class people that have fled NYS. According to the Census, NYS lost 525,000 people since 2020. So even with the influx of immigrants NYS is losing population.
Your quote:
"the people that can buy tickets covers a relatively population within a few hours of the stadium. If anything, that may come into play in terms of those that are willing to pay for season tickets." The same can be said for any team in any sport in any city.
Again, as this gets further away from the thread topic, not all of the population gain in Erie County came from foreign born population growth and again, that is using estimate information. That is for a state that has roughly 20 million people in a state with that is 30th in land size. By the way, Rocket Sci's point is that many other places have gained foreign born population at a higher clip and in turn, that should be considered for these high growth areas as well.
Also, you are proving my point then, as the organization has a much bigger population within a reasonable drive from the stadium than just metro area and tv market numbers. Like I said, you can go through every possible angle you can think of, but the stadium is getting built and there is a big population to pull from in terms of the Bills being the closest opportunity for NFL Football for those in WNY, CNY, much of the Twin Tiers of NY & PA, much of NW PA, the western portion of the North Country and the Golden Horseshoe/southern Ontario.
"Also, you are proving my point then, as the organization has a much bigger population within a reasonable drive from the stadium than just metro area and tv market numbers. Like I said, you can go through every possible angle you can think of, but the stadium is getting built and there is a big population to pull from in terms of the Bills being the closest opportunity for NFL Football for those in WNY, CNY, much of the Twin Tiers of NY & PA, much of NW PA, the western portion of the North Country and the Golden Horseshoe/southern Ontario."
You are stating the obvious, as usual. My point is that the local long time STH's are being forced out because of the PSL's and some of that is a result of the area's declining economy. There is no doubt that all the PSL's will be sold, but its unfortunate that the long time STH who have been loyal fans are being shuffled aside for a stadium that is just a minimal improvement over the previous one. Wealthier folks from out of the area will be taking their place which IMHO is unjust and unfair. Shiny and new doesn't always mean better. The only folks benefiting from this are the workers and companies building it, and that is only temporary. The State and County are forking over a billion when upkeep is included, the owner is forking over an estimated 850 million to cover the Bills share and cost overruns. I ask you, what was the point of building the same stadium in the same place? Just look at much maligned Detroit which has over 275,000 fans/night flooding the city and spending millions.
"Also, you are proving my point then, as the organization has a much bigger population within a reasonable drive from the stadium than just metro area and tv market numbers. Like I said, you can go through every possible angle you can think of, but the stadium is getting built and there is a big population to pull from in terms of the Bills being the closest opportunity for NFL Football for those in WNY, CNY, much of the Twin Tiers of NY & PA, much of NW PA, the western portion of the North Country and the Golden Horseshoe/southern Ontario."
You are stating the obvious, as usual. My point is that the local long time STH's are being forced out because of the PSL's and some of that is a result of the area's declining economy. There is no doubt that all the PSL's will be sold, but its unfortunate that the long time STH who have been loyal fans are being shuffled aside for a stadium that is just a minimal improvement over the previous one. Wealthier folks from out of the area will be taking their place which IMHO is unjust and unfair. Shiny and new doesn't always mean better. The only folks benefiting from this are the workers and companies building it, and that is only temporary. The State and County are forking over a billion when upkeep is included, the owner is forking over an estimated 850 million to cover the Bills share and cost overruns. I ask you, what was the point of building the same stadium in the same place? Just look at much maligned Detroit which has over 275,000 fans/night flooding the city and spending millions.
Yes, and here's an article from the BN about how the PSL's will affect other potions of the economy, as I have been saying.
How Bills stadium PSLs could mean less money for other local leisure venues
John Cimperman has little doubt that there will be ample Buffalo Bills fans willing to pony up to purchase personal seat licenses at the new Highmark Stadium by its opening in 2026.
But he wonders how the hefty prices that those fans will have to pay for those PSLs will affect their other spending, potentially leaving them with less money for concerts, restaurants and other types of activities and products they would typically use their discretionary dollars to purchase.
And Cimperman wonders how that will ultimately impact the regional economy, and for how long, especially since an outsized portion of the Bills season ticket base is made up of individual fans, rather than corporate buyers.
In a smaller market like Buffalo, there’s only so much discretionary income to go around, especially with the region's population barely growing. Other cities with faster-growing populations have a steadily expanding pool of discretionary income simply because more people are living and working there.
In Buffalo Niagara, however, the barely growing population means the pool of discretionary income is growing only about as fast as wages are rising.
So any new venture that grabs a piece of the discretionary spending pie is largely taking it away from other businesses that compete for the same pool of money.
It could mean season ticket holders, especially those on fixed incomes, will need to sacrifice something to offset the cost of their PSL, whether it is a few nights out for dinner a month, a show, other recreation or shopping at a local retailer.
“People are going to have to make some tough decisions,” said Cimperman, a longtime sports marketing professional. “It’s definitely going to affect different people in different ways. What a PSL will cost to a law firm sitting at the 50-yard line might be completely different from what it costs an average fan sitting in the end zone.”
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