Prop 19 Back on the Ballot in 2012 (fit in, violent crime, homes)

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

LOL... even as a Bay Area "lefty," that really made me laugh.

You're totally right, though - outside of the Bay Area & LA, California is actually quite conservative. Many people talk about dividing us into North vs South CA, but I'm gonna campaign to become Coastal & Central CA. Now that's a logical division!

Funny you mention that. The whole North vs South separation never made sense to me for those exact reasons. I never sensed much of a political change driving up the coast. If it were to divide, the Coastal Range would be the logical border; at least in a political sense.

[SoCalCroozer]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

I am an under 35, left-leaning, moderate, socially liberal supporter of some form of federally legalized marijuana. I typically vote democrat and generally would never be considered politically conservative. I am also a highly educated, high income parent living in a primarily democratic area of a major CA city.

I voted against prop 19.

For me to vote for a law like this, I need proof that it will be implemented in a sane, controlled, and adult way. I need to see a plan, I need to see common sense regulation. I saw none of that. I saw the same vague, undefined law that gave us Medical Marijuana dispensaries. Medical Marijuana killed this prop. You guys will need to prove you can handle the reality of what legalization will look like on the ground before people like me can support this. I have no faith in the state of CA, or the MJ community to handle this appropriately right now.

Very few supporters of this law were able to engage in a well thought-out conversation about the implementation. The supply chain. zoning and land use. State regs. vs leaving it to the counties and cities. The lack of depth of discourse, and intolerance to any question or dissent, is the achilles heel of many on the far side of any issue, right or left. Many self-identified liberals really need to dig down and see if they are as open and tolerant of difference of opinion as they imagine they are.

Oh gawd what a bunch of BS. I don't even smoke pot and I'm all for legalizing it. Dispensaries, zoning, supply chain. What the hell does any of that have to do with people being able to do whatever the hell they want in the confines of their private residence? For "older" generations to worry about benign pot smoking when alcohol and our alcoholic culture destroys more lives and ruins more healthy bodies than anything else is pretty hypocritical.

[JS1]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

I am an under 35, left-leaning, moderate, socially liberal supporter of some form of federally legalized marijuana. I typically vote democrat and generally would never be considered politically conservative. I am also a highly educated, high income parent living in a primarily democratic area of a major CA city.

I voted against prop 19.

For me to vote for a law like this, I need proof that it will be implemented in a sane, controlled, and adult way. I need to see a plan, I need to see common sense regulation. I saw none of that. I saw the same vague, undefined law that gave us Medical Marijuana dispensaries. Medical Marijuana killed this prop. You guys will need to prove you can handle the reality of what legalization will look like on the ground before people like me can support this. I have no faith in the state of CA, or the MJ community to handle this appropriately right now.

Very few supporters of this law were able to engage in a well thought-out conversation about the implementation. The supply chain. zoning and land use. State regs. vs leaving it to the counties and cities. The lack of depth of discourse, and intolerance to any question or dissent, is the achilles heel of many on the far side of any issue, right or left. Many self-identified liberals really need to dig down and see if they are as open and tolerant of difference of opinion as they imagine they are.

Weed has to be legalized before it can be regulated. Thanks for voting it down for a dumb reason

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by JS1

Weed has to be legalized before it can be regulated. Thanks for voting it down for a dumb reason

The lack of depth of discourse, and intolerance to any question or dissent, is the achilles heel of many on the far side of any issue, right or left. Many self-identified liberals really need to dig down and see if they are as open and tolerant of difference of opinion as they imagine they are.

[OrlFlaUsa]

Originally Posted by Phil306

I'm glad it lost and it will lose again. In fact, I haven't enforced the simple possession of marijuana on a person in probably 15 years. I think I shall now.

The Terminator beats the T-1000 (Cop) every time buddy!! Go ahead and issue your infractions, I'll take a $100 fine if you're lucky enough to catch me. Cannabis Decriminalized by Gov. Schwarzenegger (http://dl5.activatedirect.com/fs/distribution:letterFile/yvcee9xanplikz_files/z65ij4mzqc9pon?&_c=d - broken link)

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

LOL... even as a Bay Area "lefty," that really made me laugh.

You're totally right, though - outside of the Bay Area & LA, California is actually quite conservative. Many people talk about dividing us into North vs South CA, but I'm gonna campaign to become Coastal & Central CA. Now that's a logical division!

The State of Central California would be as affluent as Arkansas.

[Babydoll9983]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

For me to vote for a law like this, I need proof that it will be implemented in a sane, controlled, and adult way. I need to see a plan, I need to see common sense regulation. I saw none of that.

I'm disappointed it was not approved, but at the same time I am relieved. If something like Prop 19 should be passed it needs to have a few changes. I agree with your comments about supply chain as well!

For instance, there was a discussion on NPR about how the restriction of space allowed to grow would put small producers out of business. The laws would restrict the type of strains allowed.

I was also on the fence about how legalizing would reduce violence in Mexico. The mexican border does not only come through California. This legalization could have possibly leveraged the cartels in Mexico who already have acres of plants growing in state parks of Cali by selling/shipping it to other states across the U.S that much easier.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

Old people were strongly against it. Time is on our side. This Tea Party rage won't be here in two years after two years of Republicans mismanaging Congress.

Originally Posted by Fontucky

This old person wasn't.

Nor this one.

Legalization of pot will surely be on the ballot again in the future, only question is what year? Maybe 2012... Maybe later... They'll reword the present proposition to address the flaws. Maybe it will pass next time, maybe not, but it will probably continue to appear on the ballot until it passes in some form.

Originally Posted by SoCalCroozer

Oh gawd what a bunch of BS. I don't even smoke pot and I'm all for legalizing it. Dispensaries, zoning, supply chain. What the hell does any of that have to do with people being able to do whatever the hell they want in the confines of their private residence? For "older" generations to worry about benign pot smoking when alcohol and our alcoholic culture destroys more lives and ruins more healthy bodies than anything else is pretty hypocritical.

Remember that many of the "older" people grew up in the '60s when the hippie movement was popular and when marijuana use went mainstream in common culture. I think the "older older" people ('20s, '30s) are probably mostly against legalization because it wasn't commonly used when they were young.

I'm for legalizing it just because I think it's one of those things that government should not butt into, I believe in individual rights and an individual choice to use or not use pot.

[Roaddog]

It seemed to me that people who smoked weed when they were younger were ok with 19, those who didn't were not so ok with it. Many of the younger people I know were all in but their problem is they didn't vote and I think that is why it failed, mysisters kid is a big pothead along with all of her friends and she was yelling for everyone to vote yes but when it came time her and all her friends didn't even attemt to vote. When i went to the Polls I didn't see any young people voting, most were 40 to 70. I'm sure there will be some stats out about age on prop 19 sonner or later, I'm kind of curious

[no1brownsfan]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

I'm for legalizing it just because I think it's one of those things that government should not butt into, I believe in individual rights and an individual choice to use or not use pot.

Bingo! I wish more people thought like you. Too many folks in the world trying to tell others how to live their lives! Different strokes for different folks. You may not like something, and that's OK, but don't try and tell me what I can and cannot do, and vice versa!