CSU Chico Music Program in Jeopardy (Sacramento: schools, college, salary)

[Ceece]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

A university that truly educates needs to set the agenda, lead, and inspire on the basis of some objective criteria, as opposed to merely following the money by supplying a consumer product. If there were no unworthy programs or expenses left to cut (which is not the case), it would be better to raise tuition than to eliminate music education.

But if there are a lot of students majoring in something you find "unworthy" they would be slitting their own throats..financially speaking. Like it or not it's all driven by money.

[Fargobound]

Start doing the math and this major is a financial sinkhole for the state. Checkout the staff roster for the department, it’s over 25.

About Us - Music - CSU, Chico

Start looking at their salaries here:

Salaries - Chico Enterprise Record

CSUC would be better off pouring this money into their ag and concrete programs.

[Ceece]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Start doing the math and this major is a financial sinkhole for the state. Checkout the staff roster for the department, it’s over 25.

About Us - Music - CSU, Chico

Start looking at their salaries here:

Salaries - Chico Enterprise Record

CSUC would be better off pouring this money into their ag and concrete programs.

Both great programs too!

[WesternPilgrim]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Start doing the math and this major is a financial sinkhole for the state. Checkout the staff roster for the department, it’s over 25.

About Us - Music - CSU, Chico

Start looking at their salaries here:

Salaries - Chico Enterprise Record

CSUC would be better off pouring this money into their ag and concrete programs.

Heavens no. Here's a short list of programs that ought to be cut anyway:

Child Development - that's community college stuff at most
Philosophy - corrupt. Cut or replace with a real philosophy department.
Religious studies - corrupt.
Sociology - corrupt and pointless
Psychology - corrupt
Communication Design - community college stuff at most
Health & Community Services - corrupt and redundant

[WesternPilgrim]

Originally Posted by Ceece

Like it or not it's all driven by money.

The point is that it shouldn't be and it doesn't need to be.

[Fargobound]

So how come music is not a community college at most?

What does one really do with this degree?

[WesternPilgrim]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

So how come music is not a community college at most?

What does one really do with this degree?

I suppose the short answer is that one doesn't do with a music education so much as one becomes.

Musicians make music, of course, and teach it, but above all become persons capable of breathing life and vitality into our dying culture. Music education is uniquely positioned to transmit the crowning achievements of western civilization - and the ethos that inspired them! - to a generation that has lost its anchor.

[Fargobound]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

I suppose the short answer is that one doesn't do with a music education so much as one becomes.

The world only needs so many recording engineers and the musician side of it is talent driven.

[WesternPilgrim]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

The world only needs so many recording engineers and the musician side of it is talent driven.

Recording technology is a "community college at most" category.

Performance and education, on the other hand, take years of study and discipline and require a community of musicians. That's what universities and conservatories are for.

Yes, the musician side is partially talent driven, but it is also driven by opportunity and inspiration - and the value that our institutions place on music. There's a lot of wasted talent out there.

[Ceece]

26 students WP...lets cut 8 majors to make sure they get a music degree no matter what the cost? I don't think so.

Sorry, I support you in basic theory but no in application.