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Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Originally Posted by .highnlite
I did not gain anything extra here for all of the excessive taxes I pay.
Sorry, but you don't pay excessive taxes, you may pay more tax than what ever benighted state you left, but, The difference between where you were and where you are is no more than 4%.
And I have actually I have lost personal freedoms.
I doubt it, but, go ahead, tell us what personal freedoms you have lost.
Really is that what you actually believe Not just 4% Did you forget all of the other taxes?
Outrageous car/motorcycle registration taxes.
All the little taxes on many things that you purchase...don't forget about adding those into your figure.
You guys are so accustomed to being over-regulated that you can't fathom how un-free you really are. You're mainly tax slaves continually voting for people who terribly mismanage this state. My goodness you did not learn from the last time Brown was governor? They spend and spend and then use buzz words and scare tactics to dupe you into agreeing to raise taxes. What amazes me the most is this state has seen years and years of reckless spending but no one is talking about reducing the size of CA's government...they are only talking about ways to raise more taxes.
I know you doubted it but here you go!
1. The right to own a concealed hand gun. You may not like guns but a least we should have the right to responsibly own a concealed handgun if that is your choice.
2. The right to use a cell phone in my car to make a quick call. Not texting but a quick call.
3. The right to not wear a motorcycle helmet. (I personally can't imagine why anyone would not want to wear a helmet) In over half of the states it is your choice...you have the freedom to choose to wear one or not.
4. The right to not have to pay for the entire states disabilty.
5. The right to not belong to a Union.
Have fun with this one!
Benighted eh? One thing I have discovered since moving here is that most CA's have no clue about Houston or Texas in general. It used to surprise me how ignorant people were when told things like Texas is a dry state and Texas still uses the electric chair Wow just wow. That is just a few of the things. I wonder how you guys came to know absolutely nothing about Texas but yet act as if you do. Too have so much hatred and vileness towards that state or any state is a very strange mentality indeed.
BTW this state is pretty benighted on many levels itself.
While California seeks more ways to tax success, it excels at subsidizing poverty. The percentage of households receiving public assistance in California was 3.7 percent in 2009, double Texas’s rate of 1.8 percent. Almost one-third of all Americans on welfare reside in California.
If we compare national test scores in math, science, and reading for the fourth and eighth grades among four basic ethnic and racial categories — all students, whites, Hispanics, and African-Americans — Texas beats California in every category, and by a substantial margin. In fact, Texas schools perform consistently above the national average across categories of age, race, and subject matter, while California schools perform well below the national average
According to a 2009 study commissioned by the California legislature, state regulations cost almost $500 billion per year, or fivetimes the state’s general-fund budget. These regulations ding the average small business for some $134,122 a year in compliance and opportunity costs.
Texas Democrats are more than twice as likely as their California counterparts to claim private-sector experience outside the field of law.
Governor Brown is pushing for a tax increase of $6.9 billion per year, to appear on this November’s ballot. California’s powerful government-employee unions and Molly Munger, a wealthy civil-rights attorney (wealthy by dint of being the daughter of Warren Buffett’s) are offering two competing tax-hike plans.
Yep TX is so benighted and CA is so enlightened I really think the Texas bashers should be worrying about CA and not TX. Especially since you don't live there nor are you ever going to contribute anything to that state.
Really is that what you actually believe Not just 4% Did you forget all of the other taxes?
Outrageous car/motorcycle registration taxes.
All the little taxes on many things that you purchase...don't forget about adding those into your figure.
You guys are so accustomed to being over-regulated that you can't fathom how un-free you really are. You're mainly tax slaves continually voting for people who terribly mismanage this state. My goodness you did not learn from the last time Brown was governor? They spend and spend and then use buzz words and scare tactics to dupe you into agreeing to raise taxes. What amazes me the most is this state has seen years and years of reckless spending but no one is talking about reducing the size of CA's government...they are only talking about ways to raise more taxes.
I know you doubted it but here you go!
1. The right to own a concealed hand gun. You may not like guns but a least we should have the right to responsibly own a concealed handgun if that is your choice.
2. The right to use a cell phone in my car to make a quick call. Not texting but a quick call.
3. The right to not wear a motorcycle helmet. (I personally can't imagine why anyone would not want to wear a helmet) In over half of the states it is your choice...you have the freedom to choose to wear one or not.
4. The right to not have to pay for the entire states disabilty.
5. The right to not belong to a Union.
Have fun with this one!
Benighted eh? One thing I have discovered since moving here is that most CA's have no clue about Houston or Texas in general. It used to surprise me how ignorant people were when told things like Texas is a dry state and Texas still uses the electric chair Wow just wow. That is just a few of the things. I wonder how you guys came to know absolutely nothing about Texas but yet act as if you do. Too have so much hatred and vileness towards that state or any state is a very strange mentality indeed.
BTW this state is pretty benighted on many levels itself.
While California seeks more ways to tax success, it excels at subsidizing poverty. The percentage of households receiving public assistance in California was 3.7 percent in 2009, double Texas’s rate of 1.8 percent. Almost one-third of all Americans on welfare reside in California.
If we compare national test scores in math, science, and reading for the fourth and eighth grades among four basic ethnic and racial categories — all students, whites, Hispanics, and African-Americans — Texas beats California in every category, and by a substantial margin. In fact, Texas schools perform consistently above the national average across categories of age, race, and subject matter, while California schools perform well below the national average
According to a 2009 study commissioned by the California legislature, state regulations cost almost $500 billion per year, or fivetimes the state’s general-fund budget. These regulations ding the average small business for some $134,122 a year in compliance and opportunity costs.
Texas Democrats are more than twice as likely as their California counterparts to claim private-sector experience outside the field of law.
Governor Brown is pushing for a tax increase of $6.9 billion per year, to appear on this November’s ballot. California’s powerful government-employee unions and Molly Munger, a wealthy civil-rights attorney (wealthy by dint of being the daughter of Warren Buffett’s) are offering two competing tax-hike plans.
Yep TX is so benighted and CA is so enlightened I really think the Texas bashers should be worrying about CA and not TX. Especially since you don't live there nor are you ever going to contribute anything to that state.
My manic rants?
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Originally Posted by TVC15
Too have so much hatred and vileness towards that state or any state is a very strange mentality indeed..
And yet you say what about California post after post after post?
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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My manic rants?
And yet you say what about California post after post after post?
There is no rant in that post. I answered his doubt and then a bit more for his hatred of Texas.
Then I list some very good points about why this state is in trouble. Not a rant when you answer a posters question and correct the misinformation that they put out there.
You have shown us over and over that you are incapable of having a discussion...it quickly turns into pages and pages of rants and personal attacks and assumptions.
What I say about CA is not hatred or biased ignorance. I actually love living here.
What is interesting is that you feel that you have to jump in when it has nothing to do with you.
What I say about CA are the concerns that have lead this state to where it is today. The fact that you see it as hatred is your problem not mine.
This ought to get some remarks from the commie pinkos.
No commie pinko here.. But a full blown Socialist I am.. Which has nothing to do with magazine capacities. I for one feel the higher the better...
For many years I fell for the bait.. I supported those that loudly supported my second amendment rights... This is about freedom to protect one self yes... Well I dumped them like a hot potato.... The Patriot Act went into play under their guard.. The single biggest loss of Freedom American citizens have had since the inception of our nation...
Wake up smell the coffee... One needs to look at the bigger picture of what "freedom" is... GPS tracking they can do.. Matter of fact wire tap you dig into any and all of your business without provocation, lock you up without representation or public acknowledgment... On and on and on.
You are being played, egged on to take sides to divide the citizens of the United States of America... Because divided we fall... Who is the enemy of the citizens? Who is it that has we the people's best interest in mind?
Think long and hard about what ole Ben Franklin said...
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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1. The right to own a concealed hand gun. You may not like guns but a least we should have the right to responsibly own a concealed handgun if that is your choice. The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.37 per 100,000 people in the state. That said, there is a high percentage of Californians who do carry concealed. It is fear based, and should be rejected by all non fear based people (non conservatives)
2. The right to use a cell phone in my car to make a quick call. Not texting but a quick call. Your right to use a cell phone stops at my right not to get killed by a cell phone user, "Of the 5,474 killed because of distracted driving, 995 involved reports of a cell phone as a factor. However, the number of fatalities caused by cell phone use could be much higher. For those who were injured, 24,000 involved reports of cell phone use as a distraction.
The under-20 age group had the highest percentage of distracted drivers; 16% of drivers under 20 years old involved in fatal crashes were distracted while driving. The 30- to 39-year-old age group had the highest percentage of cell phone use in fatal crashes."
3. The right to not wear a motorcycle helmet. (I personally can't imagine why anyone would not want to wear a helmet) In over half of the states it is your choice...you have the freedom to choose to wear one or not.
I would support that if every rider who did not want to wear a helmet signed a contract prohibiting any taxpayer money used to save, or prolong, or stabilize their life after an accident. It was the amount of taxpayer money used to care for non helmet wearing accident victims that led to the law in the first place
4. The right to not have to pay for the entire states disabilty. Every citizen pays for things they don't like or use. Every state does the same thing.
5. The right to not belong to a Union. 17% of California workers belong to a union, that means, 83% of California workers don't. Your quibble is unwarranted
You just posted a petty list, none of those things affect your freedom in any meaningful sense. OH MY GAWD! How did Americans ever live without the ability to talk on the telephone while driving ! THE HORROR!
There is no rant in that post. I answered his doubt and then a bit more for his hatred of Texas.
Then I list some very good points about why this state is in trouble. Not a rant when you answer a posters question and correct the misinformation that they put out there.
California is in trouble because of helmet laws? Actually, it saves taxpayer money ... isn't that kind of efficiency exactly one of your biggest rants?
And banning hand-held cell phone usage while driving? So far, with many more proposals in formulation across the nation, 32 states ban cell phone use by novice drivers, 10 states have outright bans for all drivers, 30 states have texting bans, many countries have national bans and the U.S. congress is considering the same, and even many companies are banning cell phone use while employees are driving. But you consider this an imposition on your personal freedom unique to California? That you even defend cell phone use while driving speaks volumes about your character.
Gun laws have good arguments on both sides -- but one thing is patently clear: the more dense the population of an area, the more dangerous it becomes to allow the public to run around armed. If you feel the need to be armed, you are living in fear. Personally, I don't. I have experienced gun violence to extremes. I detest guns.
Unions? Is your job union?
Your list [of personal freedoms limited by California] is exceedingly short -- and trivial, at best. That you consider these things impositions of freedom is indicative of your astoundingly limited view of life's bounty and wonder -- and real challenges.
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Originally Posted by TVC15
You have shown us over and over that you are incapable of having a discussion...it quickly turns into pages and pages of rants and personal attacks and assumptions.
Au contraire -- I am easily one of the very most interesting conversationalists on this forum, very well liked and enjoyed by the more intelligent participants. My detractors are pretty much all ignorant as hell.
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Originally Posted by TVC15
What I say about CA is not hatred or biased ignorance. I actually love living here.
Really? Yet you come across as the type of person who would show up at a neighbor's welcoming dinner, look around, disparage the home, furnishings, family, and dog and cat -- take the plate of food offered on the best china plates, and say: "No one here is like the wonderful people back home. You are all too stupid to eat with, I'll just take this home with me." And then head back to Texas with the knife, fork, spoon and dishes. Yee-haw!
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Originally Posted by TVC15
What is interesting is that you feel that you have to jump in when it has nothing to do with you.
This is an open forum. Jumping in is what we all do. Including yourself, constantly.
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Originally Posted by TVC15
What I say about CA are the concerns that have lead this state to where it is today. The fact that you see it as hatred is your problem not mine.
Your concerns for California are specious and disingenuous. You constantly rant (yes, that IS the right word for your whiny complaints) about issues that are no different for California than for most, if not all, the rest of the nation. You also fuel the Texas vs California rhetoric by constantly referring to Texas as an example of how California should model itself.
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Originally Posted by .highnlite
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You just posted a petty list, none of those things affect your freedom in any meaningful sense. OH MY GAWD! How did Americans ever live without the ability to talk on the telephone while driving ! THE HORROR!
Funny you ask the question and then ridicule the answers. Typy CA mentality. Funny how you all think you are so liberal mined
I certainly see not having the right to join a Union when you take a job is a serious violation of meaningful freedom. It is the most scandelous operation I have ever been forced to have to accept. I consider this a serous violation of persoal freedom. THE HORROR INDEED! I changed careers after moving here due to this fact. I refuse to allow any US institution to take away my personal freedom to join a scandalous cult. Either stay in that career and be forced to join a money stealing worthless Union or change careers...I chose the later. No one should have to join a Union for employment if they don't want to. In this state that personal freedom has been stripped. I was stunned to hear my co-workers seething about being forced to join and how much they think it is a scam. You know how they dealt with it? They just refused to think about it because there was nothing they could do about it. It is unreal that this is how CA allows Unions to operate. It should be unconstitutional IMO.
Again you asked and I delivered. Who cares what you find meaningful. The fact that persoal freedoms of any significance are taken away by state govt is just flat out wrong.
Amazing that anyone would support taking away personal freedoms. This is the exact mentality that allows this state to be over run with more regulations which equals more govt. And the end result is more personal freedom sacfriced and more tax payer money to pay for the mess.
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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CA leaves that up to the counties. If your life isn't complete because you live in a "will not issue" county, move to one that will issue.
Nice to see the narrow minded way you think. My life is not complete just in being able to own a handgun. That is ridiculous.
The fact that you don't get the choice is the real issue.
I know in this state it is up to the counties...but it is nearly impossible to find one that allows it and when you do it is nearly impossible to get one.
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Not just 4% Did you forget all of the other taxes? 
Wow just wow. That is just a few of the things. I wonder how you guys came to know absolutely nothing about Texas but yet act as if you do. Too have so much hatred and vileness towards that state or any state is a very strange mentality indeed.
I really think the Texas bashers should be worrying about CA and not TX. Especially since you don't live there nor are you ever going to contribute anything to that state.
I answered his doubt and then a bit more for his hatred of Texas.
