High Tech is moving to the South Land (Mecca: job market, taxation)

[beb0p]

The one thing I noticed immediately after I moved to SV is the easy mixing and mingling of techies, due to the Bay Area's geography - urban (SF) and compact (outside of SF); I could not go anywhere without running into a fellow engineer. When engineers meet, they like to throw around ideas. It helps foster new ideas and innovation.

So. CA, on the other hand, is too big and too spread out. It does not lead itself to the human interaction that routinely takes place in SV. Plus, while housing is cheaper than SF/SV, So CA is still jaw dropping expensive. If the motivation is cheaper COL, moving to LA is merely moving from worse to bad. It's rather pointless. I do think it will have a tech presence but I don't think it will ever come close to SV.

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[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

As long as people leave, I'm happy. Wherever they go don't matter. Just go away

You do realize that there is no good scenario where CA suffers a population loss substantial enough to make you happy...right? So long as CA has great weather and beautiful scenery....so long as Big Sur, Yosemite, and the Redwoods are still around....so long as you can stand on the Marin Headlands and stare in awe at what you see..........well so long as all that good stuff remains it will take some seriously bad stuff to drive away enough people to make an appreciable difference. Should anything that bad happen it's very likely you too will leave. Oh the irony that would be

[CarawayDJ]

SoCal will make a good tech location. I think the conditions are good for tech growth though. Yes, SV has Stanford and UC Berkeley. SoCal has USC, UCLA, an up and coming UCSD, UC-Irvine, and this little known university that rivals MIT in prestige but is not well known; California Institute of Technology. Besides, very few of the tech jobs require a top Stanford grad.

So yeah, why not SoCal? Wages are certainly less there than they are in SV. Of course, that can change and probably will if there is indeed a tech surge there.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by beb0p

The one thing I noticed immediately after I moved to SV is the easy mixing and mingling of techies, due to the Bay Area's geography - urban (SF) and compact (outside of SF); I could not go anywhere without running into a fellow engineer. When engineers meet, they like to throw around ideas. It helps foster new ideas and innovation.

So. CA, on the other hand, is too big and too spread out. It does not lead itself to the human interaction that routinely takes place in SV. Plus, while housing is cheaper than SF/SV, So CA is still jaw dropping expensive. If the motivation is cheaper COL, moving to LA is merely moving from worse to bad. It's rather pointless. I do think it will have a tech presence but I don't think it will ever come close to SV.

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Run a COL comparison for LA against other tech innovation locations such as Boston and Seattle. LA isn't worse by any means.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

You do realize that there is no good scenario where CA suffers a population loss substantial enough to make you happy...right? So long as CA has great weather and beautiful scenery....so long as Big Sur, Yosemite, and the Redwoods are still around....so long as you can stand on the Marin Headlands and stare in awe at what you see..........well so long as all that good stuff remains it will take some seriously bad stuff to drive away enough people to make an appreciable difference. Should anything that bad happen it's very likely you too will leave. Oh the irony that would be

I understand your meaning but no, I don't agree. The "good" scenario is possible in CA, and worldwide. In fact, it is completely more doable, survivable, simpler, more pleasant, pleasurable, desirable, affordable - etc. - than continuing to implement "clever" strategies for perpetual growth.

You do realize that in the next dozen and a half or so years that all our "clever" modern solutions will replace human labor by roughly 1/3 at minimum, right? And it will continue to get worse. We are developing and "advancing" ourselves out of employment for the population. Now tell me where that leads - economically, psychologically, physically, and so forth.

Human beings are complete idiots and completely out of control.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by beb0p

The one thing I noticed immediately after I moved to SV is the easy mixing and mingling of techies, due to the Bay Area's geography - urban (SF) and compact (outside of SF); I could not go anywhere without running into a fellow engineer. When engineers meet, they like to throw around ideas. It helps foster new ideas and innovation.

So. CA, on the other hand, is too big and too spread out. It does not lead itself to the human interaction that routinely takes place in SV. Plus, while housing is cheaper than SF/SV, So CA is still jaw dropping expensive. If the motivation is cheaper COL, moving to LA is merely moving from worse to bad. It's rather pointless. I do think it will have a tech presence but I don't think it will ever come close to SV.

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Actually, some SoCal cities, like tiny Aliso Viejo (7.47 sq mi), are quite densely populated and already have a mini tech presence. It's miniscule, but there:
Aliso Viejo Giving O.C. Tech Centers a Run for the Money - Los Angeles Times

A few AV tech firms (large tech utilization):
Shift Digital, Alternative Technology Solutions, Fluor (headquarters has moved to TX), Quest Software (now Dell), Smith Micro, QLogic, Telogis, UST Global,My Customer Data, Marvell Technology, Microsemi, Networks in Motion, Gaikai, LAN International....

A few of the companies headquarters in Aliso Viejo which also make extensive use of technology:
Pacific Life, Buy.com, Kotel One...

AV also attracts a considerable amount of venture capital:
Aliso Viejo, Tustin ranked among Forbes' Top 25 Towns to Live Well list
OC METRO

Aliso Viejo neighbors Laguna Beach and I'm sure that helps a great deal in attracting people to this area.

[beb0p]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Run a COL comparison for LA against other tech innovation locations such as Boston and Seattle. LA isn't worse by any means.

Exactly. Stop and think about it.

It'd be just as pointless if SV firms were to relocate to Boston/Seattle just for the slightly lowered COL. There is something else besides the COL, and I think it's the beaches and the educated workforce.

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[beb0p]

Originally Posted by pacific2

Actually, some SoCal cities, like tiny Aliso Viejo (7.47 sq mi), are quite densely populated and already have a mini tech presence. It's miniscule, but there:
Aliso Viejo Giving O.C. Tech Centers a Run for the Money - Los Angeles Times

A few AV tech firms (large tech utilization):
Shift Digital, Alternative Technology Solutions, Fluor (headquarters has moved to TX), Quest Software (now Dell), Smith Micro, QLogic, Telogis, UST Global,My Customer Data, Marvell Technology, Microsemi, Networks in Motion, Gaikai, LAN International....

A few of the companies headquarters in Aliso Viejo which also make extensive use of technology:
Pacific Life, Buy.com, Kotel One...

AV also attracts a considerable amount of venture capital:
Aliso Viejo, Tustin ranked among Forbes' Top 25 Towns to Live Well list
OC METRO

Aliso Viejo neighbors Laguna Beach and I'm sure that helps a great deal in attracting people to this area.

I never said S CA has zero techie interaction, but it's nowhere close what you'd find up north.
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[pacific2]

Originally Posted by beb0p

I never said S CA has zero techie interaction, but it's nowhere close what you'd find up north.
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Well, that's certainly obvious, but the whole drift of the general discussion is that Technology is finding its way South.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by beb0p

Exactly. Stop and think about it.

It'd be just as pointless if SV firms were to relocate to Boston/Seattle just for the slightly lowered COL. There is something else besides the COL, and I think it's the beaches and the educated workforce.

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Well, I agree it's all pointless. I extend that to civilization's follies throughout history

But, back to the ponder of other tech magnets. Boston / New England has terrific beaches for the warm months, and terrific skiing for winter. Seattle is a Mecca like no other for all round rabid outdoors people, in spite of the drizzly weather: summers can't be beat, winter skiing is fantastic (if you find cold refreshing and exhilarating *shudder*), hiking, kayaking, etc. Both Boston and Seattle also have extraordinarily educated work forces and higher education. Those other-than-California locations have plenty to offer. And yet - CA retains some mysterious magic.