Who's actually leaving California (San Diego, Oceanside: section 8, apartment, movers)

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by jw2

If more people thought better weather did not deserve the premium it does, real estate in good weather places would not be so expensive.

Its not the weather, its the coast. Thats why houses on the beach are millions more than houses a few miles inland and they get cheaper the further inland you go. Same weather...

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

Who cares? There are millions of people in many cities and states outside of SoCali living wonderful, meaningful lives despite **GASP** some humidity in the summer or **GASP** some cold weather in the winter or **OMG!!** Some rain. I really feel sorry for you if you need blue skies and 70 degree weather to live your life...

This from the guy who moved to Oregon then moved back because he couldn't stand the weather.

Originally Posted by mbell75

Its not the weather, its the coast. Thats why houses on the beach are millions more than houses a few miles inland and they get cheaper the further inland you go. Same weather...

It's both mbell.

[DriveNotCommute]

Originally Posted by mbell75

And that in a nutshell is probably the main problem with this state. Brown and his liberal socialist pals keep further taxing those who work damn hard for their money, all while making it easier for lazy people, drunks and drug addicts to enjoy some of the best weather and scenery in the country for nothing. We need to make it harder for these pathetic people to get assistance forcing them to get a job and pull their weight or move to a cheaper state, not make it easier.

Using the same old scapegoats isn't a particularly convincing way to cover a position.

Perhaps it could help if corporations paid people what it actually costs to live here rather than subsidizing the cost of their productivity through the living conditions of the workers. If you lived in a single family home would you enjoy being surrounded by neighboring homes each packed with 3-4 households as if they were all apartments? Is this your idea of an appropriate standard for living in the United States?

Here's where business conservative ideals come into play: If the business can't hack it, they can move. Sucks for them that they started up in California, just like how it is unfortunate that some people who are born into poor households and places with substandard opportunities. Except that businesses, especially one with actual innovations, usually benefit from the brainpower and engineering strongholds that exist here in California.

So long as the state manages to maintain strength in these STEM communities there will be a good tradeoff in the cost of living and technical employee capability. If that elevates the cost of business for other sectors, they need to figure out how to keep up. The threat of cutting jobs over taxes and wages is a bluff: Everyone knows that businesses seek to lean out regardless of pay. This means that even at substandard pay, business cannot cut jobs any further without impacting their operations or creating a vulgar display of poor working conditions for their employees. If they can't afford it, there's something wrong with their business model. The CxOs and their accountants are paid the big bucks to figure it out.

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by DriveNotCommute

Here's where business conservative ideals come into play: If the business can't hack it, they can move. Sucks for them that they started up in California.

Im sorry, but when did people become entitled to live where they damn well pleased? The way its always worked is you live within your own means and live in an area you can afford. You don't cry you can't find a job or your job doesn't pay you enough to live in one of the most expensive areas in the entire country. Boo freaking hoo. You find a new job or you move to an area you can afford. These days, everyone is so entitled instead of getting their ass to work. If the people can't hack it, they can move, sucks for them!

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

This from the guy who moved to Oregon then moved back because he couldn't stand the weather.

It's both mbell.

I did not move back to CA for the weather, who said that? I said it rained too much for me, thats not the reason I moved back though. Family issues required me to come back and be closer to parents or I would have stayed. No, its not both, its the COAST. Look at the areas up north on both coasts. Crappy, rainy weather during quite a bit of the year, still more expensive then inland...

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

I did not move back to CA for the weather, who said that? I said it rained too much for me, thats not the reason I moved back though. Family issues required me to come back and be closer to parents or I would have stayed. No, its not both, its the COAST. Look at the areas up north on both coasts. Crappy, rainy weather during quite a bit of the year, still more expensive then inland...

Your backstroke sucks, mbell.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

Im sorry, but when did people become entitled to live where they damn well pleased? The way its always worked is you live within your own means and live in an area you can afford. You don't cry you can't find a job or your job doesn't pay you enough to live in one of the most expensive areas in the entire country. Boo freaking hoo. You find a new job or you move to an area you can afford. These days, everyone is so entitled instead of getting their ass to work. If the people can't hack it, they can move, sucks for them!

Ahahahahahaha! Roflmao! No? You just cry about politics, illegals, COL, gun laws, entitlement programs, real estate, taxes, business climate, regulations - etc. Ad nauseum, ad infinitum. Boo freaking hoo! Ahahahahahahaha!

[JDubbs339]

In other news...

My husband and I are a *GASP* black, white collar working couple that is interested in moving some the heck where else...we own a home in Los Angeles and the property value has increased significantly since we purchased it a little over a year ago...but now we *GASP* want to start a family but can't afford to stay in CA AND have children...so we're peacing out!

End of story.

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Ahahahahahaha! Roflmao! No? You just cry about politics, illegals, COL, gun laws, entitlement programs, real estate, taxes, business climate, regulations - etc. Ad nauseum, ad infinitum. Boo freaking hoo! Ahahahahahahaha!

I CAN afford the area and my taxes pay for these losers sitting around on Welfare. Someone like me has every right to complain

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

I knew plenty of people that left in the top of the boom years. The local paper even had several segments on people leaving the area, either cashing out and buying a home in a less costly area or moving because they figured that they would never be able to own a home with the high prices. We were in the latter group back in 2007. We ended up staying here and renting a few more years. Prices went down and we bought a home here. Lucky us.

My parents decided to make the move out of here back in 2003. They left the cool coast for the heat of Surprise Arizona. All four of my sisters and their families did the same thing. My brother moved there for the cheaper housing, well I mean they all ended up in the Phoenix area. Around that same time frame a co-worker and her husband were thinking about moving. They owned a donut shop and her husband was burnt out. That kind of business is a 7 day a week gig. They sold their business and their home and paid cash for a home in Surprise as well. Another co-worker and her husband only had owned their home for maybe 3 years and with the increase in prices sold that home and paid cash for one in Surprise as well. The local paper here in Ventura County featured a segment on people leaving the county for Surprise Arizona. I know people went to other places but that place I am more familiar with. I know other families that left for the Dallas area. I have three friends that ended up in the Portland area.

The rich I have not seen leave the area. The poor I have not seen leave the area. My experience has been with regular people that have an idea that they can do better in a lower priced area and I mention Surprise because many of these people were looking for a place similar to where they came from with the type of housing, shopping, job opportunities, or the like. Most of these people owned homes and used the equity in those homes to help finance the move.

Here it is 12 years after the fact for many of these people, since I have been watching things anyway. Not all are still happy with what they did. My family loves it, don't get me wrong. They took to Arizona and never looked back. One former co-worker has been out here visiting family a few times, and stopped by work. She wishes she had never left. I am sure that others feel the same way. Something about living here in California, then again I do live on the coast and love it. We never want to leave this place.