Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-27-2015, 01:49 PM
 
5,301 posts, read 6,183,576 times
Reputation: 5492

Advertisements

What happens if they raise everyone's water rates to such a confiscatory level that most families can't pay? Do they shut off their water? Throw them in jail? How will people survive in the urban jungle without running water? If a lot of folks have their water shut off, there will be an insurrection. Some of you may think that such a scenario can't happen: the politicians will find a solution that will alleviate the problem. I wouldn't count on it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-27-2015, 04:19 PM
 
28,115 posts, read 63,680,034 times
Reputation: 23268
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer View Post
I'm surprised they would hook up someone that doesn't have electricity or other utilities. Having that clip to hookup to a deep cycle battery could be useful.

My VOIP setup has a backup battery supposed to be good for a week. We'll see.
Congress passed a bill many decades ago to connect phone service to rural america... doubt it would happen today.

It is the craziest thing being 7 miles from a paved road and having telephone service... the line is underground so no poles...

I've wondered what it would be like to live in a Redwood Forest on acreage with no water worries unless it is too much... also taxes of $300 a year compared to my $9400 in East Oakland...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2015, 04:20 PM
 
28,115 posts, read 63,680,034 times
Reputation: 23268
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wells5 View Post
What happens if they raise everyone's water rates to such a confiscatory level that most families can't pay? Do they shut off their water? Throw them in jail? How will people survive in the urban jungle without running water? If a lot of folks have their water shut off, there will be an insurrection. Some of you may think that such a scenario can't happen: the politicians will find a solution that will alleviate the problem. I wouldn't count on it.
In my city if the Waste Management Garbage bill goes unpaid the property will be liened by the City... gets expensive real fast... might try the same for water.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2015, 05:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
50,294 posts, read 47,056,299 times
Reputation: 34079
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrarunner View Post
Congress passed a bill many decades ago to connect phone service to rural america... doubt it would happen today.

It is the craziest thing being 7 miles from a paved road and having telephone service... the line is underground so no poles...

I've wondered what it would be like to live in a Redwood Forest on acreage with no water worries unless it is too much... also taxes of $300 a year compared to my $9400 in East Oakland...
I might try and pry that area from you Sounds like an awesome place to retire.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2015, 09:20 AM
 
5,301 posts, read 6,183,576 times
Reputation: 5492
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrarunner View Post
In my city if the Waste Management Garbage bill goes unpaid the property will be liened by the City... gets expensive real fast... might try the same for water.
A garbage lien can stay on the books for quite a while. The necessity to drastically reduce water consumption is an immediate goal. The only way to do that is to shut off water to those who can't voluntarily curb their usage. Just wondering what will happen to people living in apartments where the landlord pays the water and sewer bill and some tenants don't comply?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2015, 12:04 PM
 
28,115 posts, read 63,680,034 times
Reputation: 23268
I't a nightmare in the making as someone that had a tenant facing eviction leave every faucet on day and night until the Sheriff granted me access... it would be many times worse under today's drought rates.

A couple of months ago... my tenant was quite upset... she had just received a $600 water bill... turns out her kids and their cousins... all under 10 wanted to make a swimming pool outside in December and had left on a sprinkler system out back... as soon as I walked into the rear yard it as obvious... mud ankle deep... my tenant said she NEVER goes into the backyard and wanted me to help??? In the end, the water company did a one time adjustment of $200.

Not sure how many meters will be removed... it takes a lot for that to happen and I only have personally known one example where a senile woman watered all the time...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
9,807 posts, read 11,142,657 times
Reputation: 7997
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrarunner View Post
I't a nightmare in the making as someone that had a tenant facing eviction leave every faucet on day and night until the Sheriff granted me access... it would be many times worse under today's drought rates.

A couple of months ago... my tenant was quite upset... she had just received a $600 water bill... turns out her kids and their cousins... all under 10 wanted to make a swimming pool outside in December and had left on a sprinkler system out back... as soon as I walked into the rear yard it as obvious... mud ankle deep... my tenant said she NEVER goes into the backyard and wanted me to help??? In the end, the water company did a one time adjustment of $200.

Not sure how many meters will be removed... it takes a lot for that to happen and I only have personally known one example where a senile woman watered all the time...
The first example (faucets all on facing eviction) is one we too have experienced with tenants in San Diego county. We were fortunate not to get electrocuted once we gained access.

Another one I have seen is tenants who have their utility bills (water too obviously) provided as part of their rent, waste like there is no tomorrow in an unmetered unit. One such example involved a female tenant who tolerated the fact that her toilet was running all of the time since she could still urinate in it. She didn't want to report it as leaking since she had roommates she didn't want discovered.

So many tenants are class acts. In any case, the unit is now metered as well it should be. Those who perceive something as "free" will abuse it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-28-2015, 05:04 PM
 
28,115 posts, read 63,680,034 times
Reputation: 23268
I'm certain there will be lasting changes in how water is sold/delivered/allocated.

It takes a special person to conserve when they are not responsible for the bill.

On the other hand... I have had tenants scream bloody murder because they called on a Friday night with a drip and I told them it would be repaired first thing Monday morning...

It took over 6 hours to fill a 1 gallon pot... and I am supposed to dispatch someone at weekend rates to save a few pennies... besides... catch the water in a pot and use it to flush or water plants.

Nothing like a drought/shortage to bring out the extremes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:42 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top