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Mississippi and West Virginia, both not exactly known for "big government."
Actually that's not totally true. Really the only fundamental difference between a liberal stronghold versus a conservative one is that a liberal wants a big government in your wallet but a small one in the bedroom. A conservative is the exact inverse in that they want a small government in your wallet but a big one in the bedroom.
It took a while for me to think about this one: California does not allow local city ordinances to put a cap on the number of people living in a house. Some cities have tried to reduce house overcrowding but it does not become effective because California requires only 120 square feet for the first two people and 50 square feet for each other person, and that's a LOT of people. This happens frequently because of the high cost of living in most of the state.
As a result of this one, landlords aren't even allowed to set limits on the number of people who can live in a house or an apartment.
And .......... illegals can crowd in. Wonder who the politicians were trying to please?
California has a jumble of laws that are much stricter than most other states, and also very harsh penalties. What makes California a state with unusually S.T.R.I.C.T. legislation? There's a long list of strict laws in the state, but here are a few major ones:
1) Urinating on the streets can get you put on the sex offender list for the rest of your life. So someone who has to use the bathroom seriously badly, and no bathroom is nearby, must face a tough decision of either having an accident, leading to severe embarrassment, or to go outside in a corner, and be listed as a sex offender for life. It's obviously not very intelligent to urinate on the streets, but most states don't issue penalties of that kind of severity, and would most likely be a misdemeanor at most.
2) The gun laws are far stricter than most other states and some local city ordinances are "no-issue" (such as Los Angeles or San Francisco), meaning that most regular citizens can't apply for a gun permit at all. That violates the second amendment, which allows the right to bear arms. This is actually counterproductive, because stricter gun laws do not always automatically mean crime rates are reduced, like some people think. One example of this is that Illinois has very strict gun laws but Chicago still has a high murder rate. Criminals will always find a way to get a gun illegally, and the problem is then intensified because regular citizens can't even buy a gun for self defense. That allows criminals who are already breaking the law, to take advantage of that even more. Furthermore, open carry isn't even allowed in a county of over 200,000 people. California is a very large state, having nearly 15% of the total US population, with about 35 million people, and most big cities have higher crime rates so the stricter gun laws in those cases are understandable, but conversely, Texas is also a highly populated state but has very lenient gun laws.
3) The cost of living is extremely high. As in, the "average family", meaning, neither rich or poor, can't even afford to buy a decent house in some places, resulting in a high poverty rate and a higher average household size. In short, if you have a nice house and a nice job and for some reason you get fired, you're SCREWED.
4) Recently, the use of water has been seriously regulated, resulting in legal issues in California for excessive use of water. No other state has a law like that. People need water to survive, so why shouldn't people be able to use as much water as they need?
5) The age of consent in California is 18, as is a few other states. But California has it set up in a way that two people who are 17 1/2 years old, that have sex with each other can both be charged with a misdemeanor of raping each other under statutory rape and both can go to prison for a year. Age of consent and statutory rape laws are meant to protect younger children from being pressured into having sex from much older adults. I've never heard of two teenagers the same age both at the same time being charged with a misdemeanor. Usually, when it comes to statutory rape, one person is an offender and the other is a victim. If both are the same age, how is that determined? In short, no minors can have sex in California AT ALL, not even if they are in the same age and grade level, which is absurd considering that most high schools and middle schools offer sex education, and teen pregnancy rates have dropped in recent years. By grade 12, nearly half of females have already had sex. If this was the case, a big chunk of the state's teen population would serve some time in prison each year.
6) Just recently, California is no longer allowing exceptions from immunizations based on religious reasons and other stuff. If that's something that's been allowed for many years, it's likely the law got changed as a result of some form of abuse; has the exceptions from shots became abused in any way recently?
7) Kindergarten age entrance strictness: recently, California has had a December 2 cut-off for kindergarten for many years, but moved it up to September 1. This isn't new; most other states have also followed suit in recent years, but California is requiring people born between the September through December window to participate in a transitional kindergarten program, and then standard kindergarten the next year. Meaning that the kids born between that window can no longer be pushed ahead anymore. Many states make exceptions based on good cause and good reason, but California moved up the cutoff they had for decades, out of strictness. If children are not ready, sure, hold them back a year. But what this does is prohibit children who *are* ready to start, from starting school, without leniency.
8) The state rarely gives anyone mercy or forgiveness or second chances if someone makes a mistake. One example of this is in June 2009, a school district in a Los Angeles suburb made a mistake in having some school days a little too short by a few minutes to the point where it didn't legally count as a school day, in some of its schools. The state, out of anger, took it out on the kids and tried to have them spend 34 more days of class in summer school for the mistakes of adults, and threatened to take away a large amount of funding. Most places, if kids spend too little time in school, lose funding based on the number of days/hours they fell short. But this was a more serious penalty.
Sorry this is so long. I would like to know what makes California have far above-average strictness in its legislation, than most other states?
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^^^ Because Commiemexifornia is hands down the worst place in the USA to live. It is populated by billionaires who don't care and illegal aliens who are too stupid to care. They violate human rights with their gun laws and continue them with impunity - same as other unamerican socialist states like New York and New Jersey.
I hope the whole state will sink into the sea as predicted. But sadly I don't think that dream will come true.
Crime is horrible. I will never willingly enter the state again, unless someone is paying me a LOT of money, AND providing armed security, since I am not allowed to protect myself there from armed gang members and other criminals.
^^^ Because Commiemexifornia is hands down the worst place in the USA to live. It is populated by billionaires who don't care and illegal aliens who are too stupid to care. They violate human rights with their gun laws and continue them with impunity - same as other unamerican socialist states like New York and New Jersey.
I hope the whole state will sink into the sea as predicted. But sadly I don't think that dream will come true.
Crime is horrible. I will never willingly enter the state again, unless someone is paying me a LOT of money, AND providing armed security, since I am not allowed to protect myself there from armed gang members and other criminals.
That's kinda the point I'm trying to make, even though people in California may be used to it, but few people realize the difference in the laws and cost of living as opposed to other states.
I understand there has to be some laws in place at least, but what bothers me the most is the high cost of living. Does California really have to be that expensive? I mean, even more expensive than New York, and the high cost of living reaches its peak around San Francisco and some LA suburbs.
That's kinda the point I'm trying to make, even though people in California may be used to it, but few people realize the difference in the laws and cost of living as opposed to other states.
While I appreciate your concern--really, honey, it's very sweet of you--absolutely everyone in California is fully aware of the fact that housing prices in other states are cheaper, and that we have laws that other states don't have. Honest. Despite what you'd like to think, we actually listen to the radio and turn on the TV once in a while. Some of us can even read!! We know that we can move to Kentucky and buy a double-wide for under 6 figures. We also know that if we lived in Georgia, we could walk into Target carrying a loaded AK-47. We just don't care to.
And really, if you're trying to convince us that other states are so much better than California, you're doing a bad job of it by spending more time on the California forum than you do on your own state. Obviously, you seem to think this state is far more interesting than your own.
California has a jumble of laws that are much stricter than most other states, and also very harsh penalties. What makes California a state with unusually S.T.R.I.C.T. legislation? There's a long list of strict laws in the state, but here are a few major ones:
1) Urinating on the streets can get you put on the sex offender list for the rest of your life. So someone who has to use the bathroom seriously badly, and no bathroom is nearby, must face a tough decision of either having an accident, leading to severe embarrassment, or to go outside in a corner, and be listed as a sex offender for life. It's obviously not very intelligent to urinate on the streets, but most states don't issue penalties of that kind of severity, and would most likely be a misdemeanor at most.
2) The gun laws are far stricter than most other states and some local city ordinances are "no-issue" (such as Los Angeles or San Francisco), meaning that most regular citizens can't apply for a gun permit at all. That violates the second amendment, which allows the right to bear arms. This is actually counterproductive, because stricter gun laws do not always automatically mean crime rates are reduced, like some people think. One example of this is that Illinois has very strict gun laws but Chicago still has a high murder rate. Criminals will always find a way to get a gun illegally, and the problem is then intensified because regular citizens can't even buy a gun for self defense. That allows criminals who are already breaking the law, to take advantage of that even more. Furthermore, open carry isn't even allowed in a county of over 200,000 people. California is a very large state, having nearly 15% of the total US population, with about 35 million people, and most big cities have higher crime rates so the stricter gun laws in those cases are understandable, but conversely, Texas is also a highly populated state but has very lenient gun laws.
3) The cost of living is extremely high. As in, the "average family", meaning, neither rich or poor, can't even afford to buy a decent house in some places, resulting in a high poverty rate and a higher average household size. In short, if you have a nice house and a nice job and for some reason you get fired, you're SCREWED.
4) Recently, the use of water has been seriously regulated, resulting in legal issues in California for excessive use of water. No other state has a law like that. People need water to survive, so why shouldn't people be able to use as much water as they need?
5) The age of consent in California is 18, as is a few other states. But California has it set up in a way that two people who are 17 1/2 years old, that have sex with each other can both be charged with a misdemeanor of raping each other under statutory rape and both can go to prison for a year. Age of consent and statutory rape laws are meant to protect younger children from being pressured into having sex from much older adults. I've never heard of two teenagers the same age both at the same time being charged with a misdemeanor. Usually, when it comes to statutory rape, one person is an offender and the other is a victim. If both are the same age, how is that determined? In short, no minors can have sex in California AT ALL, not even if they are in the same age and grade level, which is absurd considering that most high schools and middle schools offer sex education, and teen pregnancy rates have dropped in recent years. By grade 12, nearly half of females have already had sex. If this was the case, a big chunk of the state's teen population would serve some time in prison each year.
6) Just recently, California is no longer allowing exceptions from immunizations based on religious reasons and other stuff. If that's something that's been allowed for many years, it's likely the law got changed as a result of some form of abuse; has the exceptions from shots became abused in any way recently?
7) Kindergarten age entrance strictness: recently, California has had a December 2 cut-off for kindergarten for many years, but moved it up to September 1. This isn't new; most other states have also followed suit in recent years, but California is requiring people born between the September through December window to participate in a transitional kindergarten program, and then standard kindergarten the next year. Meaning that the kids born between that window can no longer be pushed ahead anymore. Many states make exceptions based on good cause and good reason, but California moved up the cutoff they had for decades, out of strictness. If children are not ready, sure, hold them back a year. But what this does is prohibit children who *are* ready to start, from starting school, without leniency.
8) The state rarely gives anyone mercy or forgiveness or second chances if someone makes a mistake. One example of this is in June 2009, a school district in a Los Angeles suburb made a mistake in having some school days a little too short by a few minutes to the point where it didn't legally count as a school day, in some of its schools. The state, out of anger, took it out on the kids and tried to have them spend 34 more days of class in summer school for the mistakes of adults, and threatened to take away a large amount of funding. Most places, if kids spend too little time in school, lose funding based on the number of days/hours they fell short. But this was a more serious penalty.
Sorry this is so long. I would like to know what makes California have far above-average strictness in its legislation, than most other states?
not going to take time to address all your concerns but give us examples of states with fewer laws. Some of the laws you mention are never really enforced: the kindergarten requirement is similar in many states; it is referred to as pre kindergarten, but it often applies to kids who are a little younger. The school days issue, many districts require X number of days or hours in school. I doubt any district added 34 days, but they may have added a few. States with weather issues do this on a regular bases. The water issue, for heavens sake, there is a horroible drought and the cost of living, isn't a law it is a fact though.
While I appreciate your concern--really, honey, it's very sweet of you--absolutely everyone in California is fully aware of the fact that housing prices in other states are cheaper, and that we have laws that other states don't have. Honest. Despite what you'd like to think, we actually listen to the radio and turn on the TV once in a while. Some of us can even read!! We know that we can move to Kentucky and buy a double-wide for under 6 figures. We also know that if we lived in Georgia, we could walk into Target carrying a loaded AK-47. We just don't care to.
And really, if you're trying to convince us that other states are so much better than California, you're doing a bad job of it by spending more time on the California forum than you do on your own state. Obviously, you seem to think this state is far more interesting than your own.
'Mericuh bores itself. Thus, the strange urge to enact weird laws insisting on open carry in the local Starbucks or dive bar. There's just not a lot to do! So here they are!
'Mericuh bores itself. Thus, the strange urge to enact weird laws insisting on open carry in the local Starbucks or dive bar. There's just not a lot to do! So here they are!
Yes, and none of them bother to answer the obvious question: Why are they so sure they might need to shoot someone every time they leave the house? If that's the reality in your average red state, I'll pay the price to stay in California, thanks. It may cost me more to live here, but I never think, "Dang, I'm out of laundry detergent. Better arm myself before running out to Safeway. You never know what kind of coupon-carrying mom might try to take me down in the soup aisle."
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