Sanctuary State Question (Wallace: transporting, employment, moving)

[Kaphawoman]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

It doesn't sound like you understand the Supremacy Clause which dictates that federal law is the "supreme law of the land." This means that judges in every state must follow the Constitution, laws, and treaties of the federal government in matters which are directly or indirectly within the government's control. (please note that "follow" does not mean enforce"

It is the 10th amendment that limits the federal government’s ability to mandate particular action by states and localities, including in the area of federal immigration law enforcement and investigations. The federal government cannot “compel the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program,or compel state employees to participate in the administration of a federally enacted regulatory scheme. Importantly, these Tenth Amendment protections extend not only to states but to localities and their employees.
Voluntary cooperation with a federal scheme does not present Tenth Amendment issues. (I have listed numerous SCOTUS cases upholding the right of a state to refuse to enforce federal law, if interested I'm sure you can find them)

No, you clearly refuse to obey the supremacy clause in a desperate attempt to justify shielding ilelgal aliens at all costs. I've said it before and I'll say it again: immigration law is entirely the purview of the federal government, therefore no city council nor state assembly should pass ANY legislation pertaining to immigrants or immigration PERIOD. This is akin to a state bill about US currency or the US mail. There is a difference between states being compelled to administer a federal regulatory program vs. a state passing laws explicitly prohibiting cooperation with the feds. If you truly believed in leaving it up to local LE, then you'd be OK with individual officers making the choice THEMSELVES whether to determine immigration status and contact ICE, rather than a state law effectively issuing a gag order on cops to shield illegals.

Again, waiting for those cases from you whee ICE ordered local LE to conduct immigration raids...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

This just shows how little you know about the criminal justice system. Federal, state and local agencies are linked via computer. ICR puts a hold on someone who is in custody they are then notified via computer if release date. Then in release date they are released to ice. That is it.

No, that's not it. When ICE wants someone detained they request that the local agency place a detainer on them which will allow them to be held 48 hours past their release date. Without the detainer, ICE can easily wait outside the jail and pick up the person they want to detain, as you said they have the same access to CJ databases that the Police have. Or ICE could comply with the 4th amendment and have a judge sign an arrest warrant which would be honored by every law enforcement agency and jail in the US.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Kaphawoman

No, you clearly refuse to obey the supremacy clause in a desperate attempt to justify shielding ilelgal aliens at all costs. I've said it before and I'll say it again: immigration law is entirely the purview of the federal government, therefore no city council nor state assembly should pass ANY legislation pertaining to immigrants or immigration PERIOD. This is akin to a state bill about US currency or the US mail. There is a difference between states being compelled to administer a federal regulatory program vs. a state passing laws explicitly prohibiting cooperation with the feds. If you truly believed in leaving it up to local LE, then you'd be OK with individual officers making the choice THEMSELVES whether to determine immigration status and contact ICE, rather than a state law effectively issuing a gag order on cops to shield illegals.

Again, waiting for those cases from you whee ICE ordered local LE to conduct immigration raids...

Can you show me where I said that ICE ordered local LE to conduct immigration raids?

And there is no obligation that a State or City enforce federal law and their is no prohibition against them issuing directives or laws indicating the extent and level of involvement in enforcing federal law, so the Supremacy clause is absolutely irrelevant here. Here is a statement by the LA County Sheriff on the final bill as signed by Brown https://signalscv.com/2017/09/l-coun...g-immigration/

We would all be better off if folks worried more about what Orange Man is going to do with the nuclear codes than whether or not the "illegals" will be arrested.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Kaphawoman

You have no explanations, only excuses that are laughably far-fetched in an attempt to justify illegal alien lawbreaking at all costs. This is a STATE bill...you're telling me you know the staffing demands of every municipality in a state as large as ours? And regardless of what type of work we're talking about, there is a solution to being understaffed: it's called hiring more people! And what makes you think ICE needs to be babysat? You're telling me not only do you know the ins and outs of local police but you also know that ICE is riddled with competencies and unable to function? Yeah, sure.

I posted a link to the DHS IG report on ICE, did you read it?

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Can you show me where I said that ICE ordered local LE to conduct immigration raids?

And there is no obligation that a State or City enforce federal law and their is no prohibition against them issuing directives or laws indicating the extent and level of involvement in enforcing federal law, so the Supremacy clause is absolutely irrelevant here. Here is a statement by the LA County Sheriff on the final bill as signed by Brown https://signalscv.com/2017/09/l-coun...g-immigration/

We would all be better off if folks worried more about what Orange Man is going to do with the nuclear codes than whether or not the "illegals" will be arrested.

Nice try at deflection to our President...

I know cops and non of them like prop 47 or this bill.

When our President turns his attention to Ca Brownstain and DeLa loser are going to be in big trouble

[BB_210]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

We would all be better off if folks worried more about what Orange Man is going to do with the nuclear codes than whether or not the "illegals" will be arrested.

Are you now implying Illegal aliens are not Illegal? Lol.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Finper

When our President turns his attention to Ca Brownstain and DeLa loser are going to be in big trouble

What does the star of Portlandia have to do with this

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Can you show me where I said that ICE ordered local LE to conduct immigration raids?

And there is no obligation that a State or City enforce federal law and their is no prohibition against them issuing directives or laws indicating the extent and level of involvement in enforcing federal law, so the Supremacy clause is absolutely irrelevant here. Here is a statement by the LA County Sheriff on the final bill as signed by Brown https://signalscv.com/2017/09/l-coun...g-immigration/

We would all be better off if folks worried more about what Orange Man is going to do with the nuclear codes than whether or not the "illegals" will be arrested.

Yes there is. Which is why all States enforce emission laws from... the Federal Gov't initially and then they may modify but not reduce the laws.

They must obey customs laws and many more. All States are a part of the US, not separate entities that can do what they wish. The Civil War settled that.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Kaphawoman

You have no explanations, only excuses that are laughably far-fetched in an attempt to justify illegal alien lawbreaking at all costs. This is a STATE bill...you're telling me you know the staffing demands of every municipality in a state as large as ours? And regardless of what type of work we're talking about, there is a solution to being understaffed: it's called hiring more people! And what makes you think ICE needs to be babysat? You're telling me not only do you know the ins and outs of local police but you also know that ICE is riddled with competencies and unable to function? Yeah, sure.

ICE was rendered impotent by Obama and then they turn around and label ICE incompetent.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Finper

Nice try at deflection to our President...

I know cops and non of them like prop 47 or this bill.

When our President turns his attention to Ca Brownstain and DeLa loser are going to be in big trouble

And these idiots are going to draw the ire of the DOJ with all its resources, and California will obviously lose, all at the expense of we the taxpayer. These California democrats in charge now are nothing less than treasonous. Civil war is brewing.