THE SKY IS FALLI...Never mind (2015, buying, school)

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by (901)

Cost of Living is unbelievably low. People are friendly. I've never seen anyone call a tent home (not to mention human feces on the sidewalk) We still respect the police and we have no state income tax. We also still have a say in our election process as we are not overrun with illegals

You should visit sometime




No need to get jealous. California is cool in its on way

But you live in a state where people swallow fake news, and regurgitate propaganda about illegals perpetrating voter fraud en masse.

Thanks for the invite, but I think I'll stick with the West Coast.

[quixotic59]

Originally Posted by Finper

Your equally comparing pooping in a hole in the forest to pooping on the sidewalk in a city???? I can't...

I don't believe he is comparing campers to homeless people. That's different.

Poor people who live in the mountains (Appalachia) are not that different from the homeless in an urban city. So, yes, pooping in the woods because you lack access to facilities is exactly the same as pooping on the street.

As I mentioned before, let us acknowledge facts and other people's experiences. The poverty in your backyard is no different than the poverty in someone else's backyard.

[Csonka]

CA GDP is a relative term because it is compared against other states with a lower COL. You can't compare a state where the average income is $65,000 to one where it is $35,000. It is like comparing sales from a 5-star restaurant to a local diner. Sure the 5-star restaurant will have higher gross sales (GDP) but its prices are also proportionally higher.

I always think a good real measure for a state is the income to home price ratio.

In Los Angeles County, for example, the median household income is $63,000 versus a median home price of $620,000, so the ratio is 9.8:1 -- or you will need about 10 years of salary to equal the median home price.

In the state of CA, the median HH income is about $70,000 versus median home price of $540,000 for a ratio of 7.7:1.

In the state of Iowa -- just picking out a state at random -- the median home price is $140,000 and the median HH income is $57,000 for a ratio of 2.5:1. WOW !!!!!!

CA is a huge state and its GDP is inflated b/c its COL is high relative to the country. It is the 5-star restaurant with high prices and thus high gross sales. If you normalize it for COL, the state is actually not that great economically.

Don't get me wrong, I love CA. But looking only at its GDP is not going to tell you anything truly important about life on the ground.

[tstieber]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

But you live in a state where people swallow fake news, and regurgitate propaganda about illegals perpetrating voter fraud en masse.

Thanks for the invite, but I think I'll stick with the West Coast.

I agree with you. Propaganda is not too extreme of a word for the media distortions about California. What you see on certain news channels bears little to no resemblance to the reality. Of course, we have certain challenges just like every place, but it's just not like that image. The media would have you believe that there are millions of illegal immigrants sitting on our sidewalks, waiting for handouts, or that we all live in neighborhoods full of homeless people, stepping over human waste. This is not unlike the propaganda that communist countries used to perpetuate about capitalist countries, warning people of a society riddled with drug addicts and homeless. Sadly, those things do exist and need to be dealt with, but fortunately, they are but a sliver of our overall reality. For at least 90% of us, life is pretty much the same as it is everywhere else.

[HappyinCali]

It has been said before, but I love seeing all the posters from random states coming to crap on CA here. Guess how much time I have spent on the Tennessee board.

[HappyinCali]

Originally Posted by (901)

Cost of Living is unbelievably low. People are friendly. I've never seen anyone call a tent home (not to mention human feces on the sidewalk) We still respect the police and we have no state income tax. We also still have a say in our election process as we are not overrun with illegals

You should visit sometime




No need to get jealous. California is cool in its on way

Hmmmm maybe check that glasses prescription??

https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/columnists/david-plazas/2017/10/29/nashville-prospers-while-homeless-residents-suffer/718728001/

[payutenyodagimas]

“We have raised income taxes and imposed increasingly high fees to reduce greenhouse emissions,” said Stephen Levy, director of the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy. “None of that has overridden the attractiveness of this state for talent and innovation and entrepreneurship


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/u...T.nav=top-news

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Csonka

CA GDP is a relative term because it is compared against other states with a lower COL. You can't compare a state where the average income is $65,000 to one where it is $35,000. It is like comparing sales from a 5-star restaurant to a local diner. Sure the 5-star restaurant will have higher gross sales (GDP) but its prices are also proportionally higher.

I always think a good real measure for a state is the income to home price ratio.

In Los Angeles County, for example, the median household income is $63,000 versus a median home price of $620,000, so the ratio is 9.8:1 -- or you will need about 10 years of salary to equal the median home price.

In the state of CA, the median HH income is about $70,000 versus median home price of $540,000 for a ratio of 7.7:1.

In the state of Iowa -- just picking out a state at random -- the median home price is $140,000 and the median HH income is $57,000 for a ratio of 2.5:1. WOW !!!!!!

CA is a huge state and its GDP is inflated b/c its COL is high relative to the country. It is the 5-star restaurant with high prices and thus high gross sales. If you normalize it for COL, the state is actually not that great economically.

Don't get me wrong, I love CA. But looking only at its GDP is not going to tell you anything truly important about life on the ground.

It makes those who want to be called "Californians" feel good, even if it does little good for "Californians".

CA is a beautiful State, poorly run. What Businesses do makes it look good, but it is really only good for them or the Median income in CA would be above every State and all but 4 Countries and .... it isn't and the COL would be a non issue.

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

But you live in a state where people swallow fake news, and regurgitate propaganda about illegals perpetrating voter fraud en masse.

Thanks for the invite, but I think I'll stick with the West Coast.

Lol, he also lives in a state where $250,000 buys you a verrrry nice home, where you don't pay state income taxes, and where there aren't illegals in your face constantly. I take it you're a liberal and claim to not care about taxes (though I bet you pay the IRS as little as possible legally), but for everyday average Americans, living in a state that's 48/50 in total tax burden makes a difference.

Me personally, the last straw was when I read that state tax dollars went to pay for a convicted murderer, in prison for life, who identified as transgender. (I'm a married gay man myself before I'm accused of being a bigot.) The state of California paid for his sex change. That's what CA citizens' tax dollars go to, so they can make sure a murderer, lifer in prison gets a fresh new vagina. Also, the front page of the LA times I'll never forget reading when the headline was "CA hands out licenses to illegals" and there was a picture of everyone rejoicing. Yes, let's condone criminal behavior. I'll take my red state flaws any day of the week.

I did it, it was fun, but unless you're very well off, CA is a circle jerk for the middle class.

We made over 6 figures and still no chance of buying anything decent, anywhere desirable.

I guess that's "normal" for out there, but it's ludicrous for most of the rest of the country.

We chose to stop flushing our livelihood down the toilet paying rent, never looked back, and never happier.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

But you live in a state where people swallow fake news, and regurgitate propaganda about illegals perpetrating voter fraud en masse.

Thanks for the invite, but I think I'll stick with the West Coast.

You know nothing about the State. They are no more gullible than people in CA. They swallow tons of fake news too.

Illegals by their existence are breaking the law. Do they try to stay out of sight, yes, do some break the law in criminal ways, yes. Does the State do much about it? No.