New bill would give nearly every californian $1,000 a month, similar to andrew yang's freedom dividend plan (place, resort)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Nita - did you read the list of internationally renown economists who disagree with your “madness” assessment?

Have you educated yourself on the issue at all? From your comment it wouldn’t appear you know anything at all about the concept.

It might surprise you to hear this, but you don't know everything about everything as you would like so many of us to believe. I have studied the issue, I am not truly interested in what "renown" international economist have to say about much of anything and I believe we all have a right to post our opinions here. It seems you think only liberal opinions are to be taken seriously. My assessment is no more madness than yours. It is a view, that is all.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by nmnita

It might surprise you to hear this, but you don't know everything about everything as you would like so many of us to believe. I have studied the issue, I am not truly interested in what "renown" international economist have to say about much of anything and I believe we all have a right to post our opinions here. It seems you think only liberal opinions are to be taken seriously. My assessment is no more madness than yours. It is a view, that is all.

Lmfao. Of course you’re not interested ... in anything but your opinion.

My “liberal” views? My liberal views include: stronger state’s rights, nearly shutting off ALL immigration except where specialized talents cannot be supplied domestically, and elimination of the welfare state systems. Sound “liberal” to you? Lol.

As to that last mentioned: the elimination of welfare system ... that’s why I support UBI ... that’s one of UBI’s theoretical purposes: not to replace welfare, but to eliminate the need for it.

You don’t understand these things because: you are truly Not interested in what "renown" international economist have to say about much of anything

[bmw335xi]

Tulemutt is one of the more extreme liberal socialists on city data. It’s not surprising he doesnt see this as welfare for all.

[Trekker99]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Tulemutt is one of the more extreme liberal socialists on city data. It’s not surprising he doesnt see this as welfare for all.

Call it whatever you want, but I call it another tax and the result is ultimately more money out of my retirement pocket to be given away.

[OC4life]

Bmw335xi is one of the more close minded fascists on city data. It's not surprising he doesn't understand what the definition of welfare is.

[Gunluvver2]

Originally Posted by Mike930

They would pay for this with a 10% value added tax on all goods and services. There are some exceptions as listed below from the bill:

“SEC. 2. It is the intent of the Legislature to fund the CalUBI Program with a value-added tax of 10 percent on goods and services, except medicine, medical supplies and equipment, educational materials, including textbooks, tuition or fees for education, food, groceries, and clothing.”

I can’t get on board with this. It’s against my capitalist nature and I don’t think we need yet another tax. While I agree something needs to be done to help the homeless, I don’t think this is it. For example, what’s a homeless drug addict or alcoholic going to do with $1,000 a month? It seems like, for some people, it would be throwing fuel on a fire. I understand that’s a small segment, but there has to be a better way.

The bill’s text is quite short.

Bill Text - AB-2712 California Universal Basic Income (CalUBI) Program.

Have any of you heard the old expression "The road to Hell is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS"?

I live in Lincoln, Nebraska. Even here we have a few homeless people HOWEVER ,from around Halloween to Easter the numbers are very small compared to places with less severe winters. I depend on our city bus system for transportation since I quit driving and I talk to quite a few of these homeless people. Our privately funded support groups like Catholic Social Services, the city Mission etc. do a fantastic job of making food available here. Women with young children can get help if they are willing to cede control over their and their kids lives to supervision by a State funded Social Worker. There are NEEDY people out there for sure! Our unemployment rate is around 2% and has been under 5% for several years. Help Wanted signs are prevalent. So our PANHANDLERS could probably find work.. I know a few of these people and talk to them on a regular basis. One able bodied 33 YO Male I know flies a sign almost daily claiming to be a homeless vet. NOT TRUE. He had a full ride athletic scholarship to a local PRIVATE (very expensive) college when he graduated from High School but he dropped out after one year. A decade later and he is on the street panhandling for his daily ration of smokes and Malt Liquor (4 to 10 cans a day of 24 ounce Hurricanes ). He has worked at dozens of jobs in the past decade but as far as I know the longest He has stayed with any one job was four months. I do not like to STEREOTYPE people.. BUT HERE IT COMES, many of these "homeless" people are in their situation because it is their CHOICE. The REAL VICTIMS in the situation are innocent children. Those are the ones that SOCIETY needs to assist.

HOW can we do that? Assist or ENABLE? Where is the line? I don't have that answer except I know for sure our government doesn't have a clue!! I am not a Catholic (just a Christian) but although the Catholic Church has many faults they have to be commended for doing a great job in helping the less fortunate among us. I know there are other religious organizations doing fine work also.

Would giving $1,000 to all homeless people in the USA help solve this problem? For some? Yes but not everyone. What do you think the answer is?

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by OC4life

Bmw335xi is one of the more close minded fascists on city data. It's not surprising he doesn't understand what the definition of welfare is.

Fascist? I'm sorry you are offended I don't love welfare like you, why not just give $100k per month per person? You salivating yet? I sense you are losing your temper. Relax before you go to the liberal default attack 101 by calling anyone who disagrees with you a fascist... next you'll be calling me a racist lol.

[eastcoastbias]

Originally Posted by Gunluvver2

Have any of you heard the old expression "The road to Hell is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS"?

I live in Lincoln, Nebraska. Even here we have a few homeless people HOWEVER ,from around Halloween to Easter the numbers are very small compared to places with less severe winters. I depend on our city bus system for transportation since I quit driving and I talk to quite a few of these homeless people. Our privately funded support groups like Catholic Social Services, the city Mission etc. do a fantastic job of making food available here. Women with young children can get help if they are willing to cede control over their and their kids lives to supervision by a State funded Social Worker. There are NEEDY people out there for sure! Our unemployment rate is around 2% and has been under 5% for several years. Help Wanted signs are prevalent. So our PANHANDLERS could probably find work.. I know a few of these people and talk to them on a regular basis. One able bodied 33 YO Male I know flies a sign almost daily claiming to be a homeless vet. NOT TRUE. He had a full ride athletic scholarship to a local PRIVATE (very expensive) college when he graduated from High School but he dropped out after one year. A decade later and he is on the street panhandling for his daily ration of smokes and Malt Liquor (4 to 10 cans a day of 24 ounce Hurricanes ). He has worked at dozens of jobs in the past decade but as far as I know the longest He has stayed with any one job was four months. I do not like to STEREOTYPE people.. BUT HERE IT COMES, many of these "homeless" people are in their situation because it is their CHOICE. The REAL VICTIMS in the situation are innocent children. Those are the ones that SOCIETY needs to assist.

HOW can we do that? Assist or ENABLE? Where is the line? I don't have that answer except I know for sure our government doesn't have a clue!! I am not a Catholic (just a Christian) but although the Catholic Church has many faults they have to be commended for doing a great job in helping the less fortunate among us. I know there are other religious organizations doing fine work also.

Would giving $1,000 to all homeless people in the USA help solve this problem? For some? Yes but not everyone. What do you think the answer is?

Good post. This is similar to my experience here in SD. I agree 1000% with the sympathy in the situation. The children born into the scenario.


The answer is not handing out money and not trying to house everyone (some homeless yes Housing First model is great for them, other homeless (chronic homeless) - no). You run out of other folks money trying to employ these tactics in a one size fits all approach. We are punting the problem to the future if we give drug addicts money and a place to live with no strings attached.


The answer is ramping up supportive services- drug counseling, job training, etc. I'd rather do that than take a dividend, handout, welfare, tax whatever label you want to give it.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Tulemutt is one of the more extreme liberal socialists on city data. It’s not surprising he doesnt see this as welfare for all.

Originally Posted by OC4life

Bmw335xi is one of the more close minded fascists on city data. It's not surprising he doesn't understand what the definition of welfare is.

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Fascist? I'm sorry you are offended I don't love welfare like you, why not just give $100k per month per person? You salivating yet? I sense you are losing your temper. Relax before you go to the liberal default attack 101 by calling anyone who disagrees with you a fascist... next you'll be calling me a racist lol.

BMW can dish it out, but can’t take it. It’s obvious who’s losing his temper.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by Mike930

BMW can dish it out, but can’t take it. It’s obvious who’s losing his temper.

The current leader among the Democratic candidates is an extreme liberal socialist, that isn’t a personal attack and for liberals shouldn’t be viewed as an insult.

OC could have said BMW is the most extreme conservative capitalist on city-data and that would be apples to apples.

But to throw out the fascist remark is so... typical of the young Antifa segment of the Democratic Party. I just find it funny now how you think stating the political ideology of your frontrunner is an insult, that says a lot about how even Democrats are embaressed by their own candidates.