Census 2020: For the First Time Since 1900, SF Tops LA in Metro Population Growth (Los Angeles: how much, beach)

[18Montclair]

So I thought it was 1910-1920, but I was wrong. The last time the San Francisco Metro outgrew Los Angeles in numerical population was between 1890-1900. 120 years ago.

I'm sure this is a one-time fluke, and by next census things will be back to what we've been accustomed to for, well, a century, but this is a very interesting footnote those old Northern snobs who are now largely dead, would probably would have relished to see in person.

1890-1900
San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley Metro Area: +90,535
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim Metro Area: +71,951

2010-2020
San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley Metro Area: +413,617
Los Angeles-Long Beach Anaheim Metro Area: +372,161

Source: United States Census Bureau

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

So I thought it was 1910-1920, but I was wrong. The last time the San Francisco Metro outgrew Los Angeles in numerical population was between 1890-1900. 120 years ago.

I'm sure this is a one-time fluke, and by next census things will be back to what we've been accustomed to for, well, a century, but this is a very interesting footnote those old Northern snobs who are now largely dead, would probably would have relished to see in person.

1890-1900
San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley Metro Area: +90,535
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim Metro Area: +71,951

2010-2020
San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley Metro Area: +413,617
Los Angeles-Long Beach Anaheim Metro Area: +372,161

Source: United States Census Bureau

Metro San Francisco is less dense than metro Los Angeles, so this trend could hold for a while.

[Mr5150]

A thought. Aside from these numbers being a mere statistic, why should anyone care?

My guess is both LA and the Bay Area have lost a ton of people* in the last year due to Covid remote working

[apple92680]

Part of this has to to do with the fact that they've lumped remote San Joaquin County (Tracy), Stanislaus (Patterson), Merced (Los Banos) and San Benito County (Hollister) into the Bay Area Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area now -- which caused the population to jump!

In addition, Santa Cruz County was added in due to commute patterns.

Last Census (2010), those counties were not considered part of the metropolitan area.

In the southern end of San Benito County is the town of Bitterwater, CA. It is located over 137 miles from San Francisco, and is a 2 Hour/24 min drive, according to Google.

It seems absurd that this tiny, remote country town is in "the Bay Area", but the bean counters in Sacramento and Washington DC both say it is...So, it is.

Now, think if the bean counters had added in Kern County and Santa Barbara County to the "Greater Los Angeles Area", how much LA's "population" would have spiked?

Make sense now?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by apple92680

Part of this has to to do with the fact that they've lumped remote San Joaquin County (Tracy), Stanislaus (Patterson), Merced (Los Banos) and San Benito County (Hollister) into the Bay Area Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area now -- which caused the population to jump!

In addition, Santa Cruz County was added in due to commute patterns.

Last Census (2010), those counties were not considered part of the metropolitan area.

In the southern end of San Benito County is the town of Bitterwater, CA. It is located over 137 miles from San Francisco, and is a 2 Hour/24 min drive, according to Google.

It seems absurd that this tiny, remote country town is in "the Bay Area", but the bean counters in Sacramento and Washington DC both say it is...So, it is.

Now, think if the bean counters had added in Kern County and Santa Barbara County to the "Greater Los Angeles Area", how much LA's "population" would have spiked?

Make sense now?

The OP is comparing MSA's though. None of those are included in SF-Oak's MSA.

LA's CSA stretches to the Nevada and Arizona borders. It's 4 hours to Needles, CA from DT LA, same CSA, and you're complaining about 2.5 to Bitterwater?

[apple92680]

Originally Posted by sav858

The OP is comparing MSA's though. None of those are included in SF-Oak's MSA.

LA's CSA stretches to the Nevada and Arizona borders. It's 4 hours to Needles, CA from DT LA, same CSA, and you're complaining about 2.5 to Bitterwater?

"Complaining"? ...Who's complaining?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by apple92680

Part of this has to to do with the fact that they've lumped remote San Joaquin County (Tracy), Stanislaus (Patterson), Merced (Los Banos) and San Benito County (Hollister) into the Bay Area Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area now -- which caused the population to jump!

In addition, Santa Cruz County was added in due to commute patterns.

Last Census (2010), those counties were not considered part of the metropolitan area.

In the southern end of San Benito County is the town of Bitterwater, CA. It is located over 137 miles from San Francisco, and is a 2 Hour/24 min drive, according to Google.

It seems absurd that this tiny, remote country town is in "the Bay Area", but the bean counters in Sacramento and Washington DC both say it is...So, it is.

Now, think if the bean counters had added in Kern County and Santa Barbara County to the "Greater Los Angeles Area", how much LA's "population" would have spiked?

Make sense now?

The San Francisco Metro Area is just 5 inner Bay Area counties that combined are about half the physical size of LA county.

By comparison the LA Metro Area is LA and Orange counties.

[AmericanRenaissance]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

By comparison the LA Metro Area is LA and Orange counties.

Ventura, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties not included?

[Valley Boy]

Yea, seems pretty stupid to compare MSA.

The entire CSA should be included. Ventura, 909, 707, and 209.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by AmericanRenaissance

Ventura, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties not included?

They're in the CSA, only MSA (smaller inner portion) is being discussed here apparently