Lots Of People Leaving California? (San Francisco, Carson: condo, crime, hotels)

[RosieSD]

Originally Posted by BabyBoomers2

All I know is that when small towns/cities turn into big/bigger towns/cities due to developers and newcomers, many long-time locals have a real problem with both. Old/older seniors don't like a faced-paced lifestyle. IOW, they've "been there, done that".

When I look around and see lots and lots of houses and apartment complexes being built, I think "oh no, there goes the neighborhood" (traffic/crime).

You just moved to a city that was only founded in 1953. Henderson was literally started for developers to build homes to attract newcomers to the Las Vegas area, the original "always changing, fast paced lifestyle" location.

The new homes and buildings that you see going up are just a continuation of what Henderson and the entire Las Vegas area have always been about.

Any old/older seniors who are complaining about that to you are dunderheads who should never have moved to Henderson/Las Vegas to begin with.

Despite its LONG history of development and growth, Henderson has always had one of the lowest crime rates of any city in America. So, it's a bit silly to tell yourself that "the neighborhood" is suddenly going downhill because Henderson is continuing to grow like it has since 1953.

[tmtex]

But Wait !!

More Texans moving to California, data shows

https://www.fox4news.com/news/more-t...eau-data-shows

[BabyBoomers2]

Originally Posted by RosieSD

You just moved to a city that was only founded in 1953. Henderson was literally started for developers to build homes to attract newcomers to the Las Vegas area, the original "always changing, fast paced lifestyle" location.

The new homes and buildings that you see going up are just a continuation of what Henderson and the entire Las Vegas area have always been about.

Any old/older seniors who are complaining about that to you are dunderheads who should never have moved to Henderson/Las Vegas to begin with.

Despite its LONG history of development and growth, Henderson has always had one of the lowest crime rates of any city in America. So, it's a bit silly to tell yourself that "the neighborhood" is suddenly going downhill because Henderson is continuing to grow like it has since 1953.

An online article, from Las Vegas newspaper, states that southwest of Las Vegas is growing very fast. A new hotel/casino is getting ready to open next month (December) and another one also. Both hotels/casinos are described as being "very Upper-Class".

And, there happens to be some stolen vehicles in Henderson and the website members of Nextdoor are the ones reporting their vehicle was stolen. Seen another one this AM.

For anyone who doesn't think Henderson/Las Vegas is fast-paced, just try driving on freeways here. You darn near have to go 90 or get forced off. Passing on right side of freeway, where there is no lane, is very popular here. I don't do it, but it is definitely done.

But, as I've already stated, by this time next year, we won't be here. Hopefully be where we belong and a member of CD told us about. IOW, Carson City/Reno area. Winter, yes. But, we have ALL of our winter clothes.

[BabyBoomers2]

Originally Posted by tmtex

But Wait !!

More Texans moving to California, data shows

https://www.fox4news.com/news/more-t...eau-data-shows

I read that myself.

[BabyBoomers2]

Just how many people are moving to Henderson from both California and Texas? We went to local DMV in Henderson and it took us 2 1/2 hours to get DL's and Registration/tag/license plate. We had appointments, but that sure didn't matter. And, the DMV had armed security guards there. That was unusual. Had never seen that before.

And, with the growing population here, and traffic, people who have moved here from California to get away from traffic, are going to be pissed. There is plenty of both here and the COL isn't cheap either!

[CA4Now]

More Californians are relocating to Florida than the other way around — but the number moving in either direction is minuscule compared with each state’s population.

Last year, according to newly released census data, roughly 29,000 Floridians moved to California, the nation’s most populous state, with 39 million residents.

Meanwhile, nearly 51,000 people moved from California to Florida, a fast-growing state of 22 million.

“Florida is booming. But its population is not growing because of Californians,” said Eric McGhee, a political scientist with the Public Policy Institute of California, who noted that people typically leave California for closer destinations, such as Arizona and Texas.

Despite the rhetoric, he said, people primarily relocate to other states — including Florida, which has no state individual income tax — for economic reasons like high housing costs, not politics.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-to-the-other

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by BabyBoomers2

We went to local DMV in Henderson and it took us 2 1/2 hours to get DL's and Registration/tag/license plate.

And, with the growing population here, and traffic, people who have moved here from California to get away from traffic, are going to be pissed. There is plenty of both here and the COL isn't cheap either!

We have friends who moved from the Lake Elsinore area to Henderson in the late 1990s due to a job transfer. When we visited them after they first moved there, the cookie cutter mini mansions were still being built and the neighborhoods looked like the one out of E.T. They were thrilled, though, because they had four kids, and each one had his/her own bedroom, they had a pool, and a state of the art kitchen (definitely not the case in Elsinore, even back then).

[blameyourself]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

More Californians are relocating to Florida than the other way around — but the number moving in either direction is minuscule compared with each state’s population.

Last year, according to newly released census data, roughly 29,000 Floridians moved to California, the nation’s most populous state, with 39 million residents.

Meanwhile, nearly 51,000 people moved from California to Florida, a fast-growing state of 22 million.

“Florida is booming. But its population is not growing because of Californians,” said Eric McGhee, a political scientist with the Public Policy Institute of California, who noted that people typically leave California for closer destinations, such as Arizona and Texas.

Despite the rhetoric, he said, people primarily relocate to other states — including Florida, which has no state individual income tax — for economic reasons like high housing costs, not politics.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-to-the-other

The bolded should be emphasized over and over and wrapped around the necks of these trolls that keep posting these ridiculous disingenuous "exodus" threads (especially when the net numbers are statistically insignificant).

[Thekdog]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

More Californians are relocating to Florida than the other way around — but the number moving in either direction is minuscule compared with each state’s population.

Last year, according to newly released census data, roughly 29,000 Floridians moved to California, the nation’s most populous state, with 39 million residents.

Meanwhile, nearly 51,000 people moved from California to Florida, a fast-growing state of 22 million.

“Florida is booming. But its population is not growing because of Californians,” said Eric McGhee, a political scientist with the Public Policy Institute of California, who noted that people typically leave California for closer destinations, such as Arizona and Texas.

Despite the rhetoric, he said, people primarily relocate to other states — including Florida, which has no state individual income tax — for economic reasons like high housing costs, not politics.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-to-the-other

No income tax is a political choice. So is building housing. California has decided it won't build housing not approved by labor unions, nonprofits or environmentalists, so it will be expensive

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Thekdog

No income tax is a political choice.

Only if it's made political.

Originally Posted by Thekdog

So is building housing.

From the same article: The rise in remote work — mostly for high-income, white-collar workers — since the COVID-19 pandemic accelerated that trend, said McGhee’s colleague, demographer Hans Johnson.

“We don’t know how that’s going to play out going forward,” Johnson said. Increasingly, there “are signs that businesses are trying to lure people back to California,” including requiring in-person work and lowering salaries for employees who live in less expensive states, he said.

“Life is about trade-offs,” said Matt Pressberg, who moved with his wife from Century City to south Florida in 2021. “Despite a lot of the bad politics and legislation in Florida that I don’t agree with, the overall quality of life for me and my wife is significantly better here.”
Pressberg, 41, and his wife are both native Angelenos. He grew up in Tarzana. She grew up on the Westside. They thought they would never leave.

Then, his public relations job went fully remote during the pandemic. They traded their small condominium for a 3,000-square-foot, four-bedroom house in Boca Raton. Pressberg works from his home office in his pool house.

“It‘s easy for right-wing people to say Californians are moving because they’re unhappy with progressive politics,” said Pressberg, who voted for Newsom. “That’s the Fox News take, but it’s not the truth. There are certainly quality-of-life issues in California that can be attributed to political choices, but it’s not that simple. It’s housing and economic opportunity.”