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I absolutely agree that you're doing better lately than we are. But that's to be expected: you have a good, solid leader, while we are led by a hopeless, hapless, socialist.
Its more than just a leader its a system of governance that seems to be working.Just as many are not happy with what Obama is doing he is just one figure in a staff of hundreds,i doubt any politician can be all things to all people..
Actually, thank goodness sites like the Blaze exist to break the embargo on any news that hurts the leftist cause. The lamestream media is an utter joke. Full stop.
As to giving out crack pipes or whatever ideologically-driven program the left wants to throw at people........with friends like these, who needs friends? Just the opinion of an addict and substance abuse professional, though.
I registered just to say you are correct. Giving out crack pipes is ridiculous. Now if they had police waiting around the corner to nab the guy getting the pipe then OK but they are FACILITATING an illegal activity. I was born an raised in Canada and I am sick of seeing people not having to take responsibility for their own actions. What is the point of being an upstanding honest person when if you are a crook society still babies you and pays for everything. I could rant all day
Certainly would be nice if all the crack users would just go away,but they arent going away so giving them clean smoking implements is money well spent if it keeps the crack smoker out of the hospital with much more expensive problems that are related to unsanitary sharing of drug paraphernalia.
My leanings have always been more to the right and conservative than what is euphamisticly called "nanny statist" but one thing I have never waivered on is my belief in the Universal Health Care program championed by Tommy Douglas.
This discussion somehow wandered into the UHC territory from the B.C. Health Authority mandated decision.
A system that merely identifies and incarcerates adicts of any kind has been adequately proven over the last 50 years to NOT work at all. Simpy put; do you incarcerate alcoholics or smokers? And before you jump on here with the legality of the substances versus the illegality; that idiotic concept hasn't worked too well either.
Look at the current hysteria over tobacco and it's costs to your health care while at the same time garnering billions in taxation from it - conflict of interest anybody?
Deaths from alcohol related vehicle accidents would easily compare to all the related deaths from gang related activity of drug dealing, but hey, we can tax the hell out of it and not appear moronic to the simple minded voters.
Just what are the benchmarks that define marijhuana an illegal substance while leaving alcohol out of the mix anyway?
Back to the crack pipe; I'm not a proponent of that decision but am loath to compare it to the "nanny statism" you folks south of the 49th seem all to willing to equate to a socialist agenda running amock.
Here's an opinion only; you need to look closer to home to describe a socialist empire with ever growing tentacles into your freedoms (Land of the Free, Home of the Brave) as you have plenty of "nanny-state" decisions being made that are degrading your stature in the eyes of the rest of the world to worry about without castigating your friends and allies.
You want to jump on a plane and fly anywhere within U.S. airspace you've got to submit to a groping you would not have tolerated in the gymnasium change rooms without someone getting a black eye but hey we're fearful and scardey right now so it's all right in the name of "security" HOGWASH! Nanny State is what it is and you cannot paint it blue it's colour is PINK!
Lest anyone forget; we were the first to endure a planeload of folks being blown up, and haven't to date resorted to relinquishing that most sacred of personal freedoms.
You have all given up the rights guaranteed by your constitution that would normally require an arrest to have taken place first and you didn't hear Canadians all denigrating you about your paranoia and fears.
Certainly would be nice if all the crack users would just go away,but they arent going away so giving them clean smoking implements is money well spent if it keeps the crack smoker out of the hospital with much more expensive problems that are related to unsanitary sharing of drug paraphernalia.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
My leanings have always been more to the right and conservative than what is euphamisticly called "nanny statist" but one thing I have never waivered on is my belief in the Universal Health Care program championed by Tommy Douglas.
This discussion somehow wandered into the UHC territory from the B.C. Health Authority mandated decision.
A system that merely identifies and incarcerates adicts of any kind has been adequately proven over the last 50 years to NOT work at all. Simpy put; do you incarcerate alcoholics or smokers? And before you jump on here with the legality of the substances versus the illegality; that idiotic concept hasn't worked too well either.
Look at the current hysteria over tobacco and it's costs to your health care while at the same time garnering billions in taxation from it - conflict of interest anybody?
Deaths from alcohol related vehicle accidents would easily compare to all the related deaths from gang related activity of drug dealing, but hey, we can tax the hell out of it and not appear moronic to the simple minded voters.
Just what are the benchmarks that define marijhuana an illegal substance while leaving alcohol out of the mix anyway?
Back to the crack pipe; I'm not a proponent of that decision but am loath to compare it to the "nanny statism" you folks south of the 49th seem all to willing to equate to a socialist agenda running amock.
Here's an opinion only; you need to look closer to home to describe a socialist empire with ever growing tentacles into your freedoms (Land of the Free, Home of the Brave) as you have plenty of "nanny-state" decisions being made that are degrading your stature in the eyes of the rest of the world to worry about without castigating your friends and allies.
You want to jump on a plane and fly anywhere within U.S. airspace you've got to submit to a groping you would not have tolerated in the gymnasium change rooms without someone getting a black eye but hey we're fearful and scardey right now so it's all right in the name of "security" HOGWASH! Nanny State is what it is and you cannot paint it blue it's colour is PINK!
Lest anyone forget; we were the first to endure a planeload of folks being blown up, and haven't to date resorted to relinquishing that most sacred of personal freedoms.
You have all given up the rights guaranteed by your constitution that would normally require an arrest to have taken place first and you didn't hear Canadians all denigrating you about your paranoia and fears.
While smoking and Alcohol are not illegal and are taxed heavily, so many people are so addicted to them they would raise hell if government tried to abolish it. As for the incarceration, how do you figure it doesn't work? When you are in jail you do not have the opportunity to get high and go out of control and hurt other people. If your goal is rehabilitation then incarceration does not work but the goal is more segregation to protect the rest of the population against potential for crime. I agree with you nanny state points though.
Back to the pipes. Saying that giving clean crack pipes is preventative care is crazy! Such a far stretch of logic. They might as well give the the crack for free too, this way they can ensure their is no impurities in the crack that a dealer may have placed for higher quantity! I would say if you do an illegal drug and have medical complications arising from it you should pay for it yourself! Take some self responsibility. Just because you choose to wreck you life society should not have to pay for it. UHC should be for accidents and injuries through no fault of your own. Responsibility. Period.
UHC should be for accidents and injuries through no fault of your own. Responsibility. Period.
Our UHC is also about preventative healthcare, some one in the BC program thinks its a good idea to give addicts a clean $2 pipe the thinking being that its a lot cheaper than treating an addict for hepatitis C, HIV and even respiratory illnesses, illnesses that ultimately could cost the UHC system hundreds of thousands per patient, sounds like rational thinking to me as it saves tax dollars....
PS. how does the cost of birth fit into your idea of who gets healthcare?..
Our UHC is also about preventative healthcare, some one in the BC program thinks its a good idea to give addicts a clean $2 pipe the thinking being that its a lot cheaper than treating an addict for hepatitis C, HIV and even respiratory illnesses, illnesses that ultimately could cost the UHC system hundreds of thousands per patient, sounds like rational thinking to me as it saves tax dollars....
PS. how does the cost of birth fit into your idea of who gets healthcare?..
I was making reference to the crack pipes. UHC is a good concept but it fails to take into account self responsibility. Cost of birth should fall under UHC in my opinion. But harming yourself through and illegal substance on purpose while potentially harming others while under the influence of that substance is unacceptable. By giving out crack pipes they are in a way saying its ok to do crack. Plus this it is only speculation as to whether it actually helps. Now if you want to go into speculation mode here it goes: Great Wednesday afternoon johhny the crack head just bought some crack and doesn't have a pipe. He can't smoke his crack without a pipe and the police have been "cracking" down on paraphernalia so they are hard to get. Oh well he will just go to the government sponsored crack house. Then in a stupor he commits a crime, robs someone of their belongings and beats him/her to a pulp. Government crack house just aided in two offences. Facilitated two crimes.
As for the incarceration, how do you figure it doesn't work? When you are in jail you do not have the opportunity to get high and go out of control and hurt other people.
You claim to work for in the justice system in Manitoba and yet you believe there is no opportunity to get high in jail?
I was making reference to the crack pipes. UHC is a good concept but it fails to take into account self responsibility. Cost of birth should fall under UHC in my opinion. But harming yourself through and illegal substance on purpose while potentially harming others while under the influence of that substance is unacceptable. By giving out crack pipes they are in a way saying its ok to do crack. Plus this it is only speculation as to whether it actually helps. Now if you want to go into speculation mode here it goes: Great Wednesday afternoon johhny the crack head just bought some crack and doesn't have a pipe. He can't smoke his crack without a pipe and the police have been "cracking" down on paraphernalia so they are hard to get. Oh well he will just go to the government sponsored crack house. Then in a stupor he commits a crime, robs someone of their belongings and beats him/her to a pulp. Government crack house just aided in two offences. Facilitated two crimes.
Our healthcare system isnt into whether your medical needs are a result of lack of self responsibility its there to give medical care if you need it..
I hardly think the government condones illegal drug use but looking at the situation from a financial perspective its a lot cheaper to treat a perspective patient with an inexpensive piece of preventative paraphernalia than treat the person for years as a patient with a major medical problem.
Sure we'd all like to see the end of the illegal drug problem but a 50 year war on drugs doesnt seem to be working,and giving some one a clean crack pipe wont make one bit of difference as to whether some one is going to smoke crack or not but it may make a big difference on whether my tax dollars go to supporting this person with a $2 crack pipe or in a much larger major medical situation.
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down on paraphernalia so they are hard to get. Oh well he will just go to the government sponsored crack house. Then in a stupor he commits a crime, robs someone of their belongings and beats him/her to a pulp. Government crack house just aided in two offences. Facilitated two crimes.
