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Glad you agree with me in my response to another such as yourself. Always nice to have agreement.
I don't recall even referring to either the crime rate or prevalence of terror in my post. but glad you covered those omissions for me. Never called the U.S. a back water either, but hey, don't let that stop your deflection?
I take exception to your characterization that immigrants always prefer Canada though, as it is well known that prurient reasons such as simple money and weather are enough to entice some to ANY locale regardless of the decreasing QOL stats.
I suppose anywhere that will take you is better than a mud hut on the shore of the Euphrates.
I think both countries would be better off if its citizens could move freely from one country to another or apply for jobs in each country without worrying about getting visas. It gives each country's citizens more options. Has this ever been considered?
Most Canadians have never been interested in becoming Americans. They had chances in both the Revolution and in the War of 1812. They knew what they had with the British, and a pretty good idea of what they'd lose if they became part of the US. They chose the Brits, and most probably aren't sorry.
The US would wash over Canada like a tsunami and Canada would cease to exist. Those in Canada, who love Canada do not want that to happen.
The old adage, good fences make good neighbours, applies here.
I think you got it. A ton of people would go move to Florida or Arizona, and then all the quaternary+ sector would be gone two seconds later. I'm not going to be in denial about that at all, but I think we would probably get some big shots extracting resources up north, which could change politics too much for most Canadians' likings. Good fences make good neighbours indeed.
Every time that this idea is brought up, the person making the suggestion is an American.
I am a proud America but what does that have to do with anything? I like Canada too.
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In the scenario that the OP suggests, the Canadian economy would be flooded by Americans, looking for jobs, and American criminals looking for a way to live off our social services network. With an open border, Canada would be quickly pulled down to their level of crime and ignorance.
A bit of an exaggeration, no? You really think there’ll be a “flood” of Americans coming. Likewise you don’t think they’ll be a lot of Canadians applying to US Companies (NYC, Silicon Valley, ect.)? While we are on this subject, it seems that your businesses have no problem hiring tons of workers from less developed countries (McDonald's foreign worker practices face growing investigation - British Columbia - CBC News), so why not hire from your English-speaking neighbor down south then.
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A bad idea, in every way, with no benefit to Canada, or Canadians.
There’ve been posts from Canadians who would love to live and work in NYC, so it would benefit people like them. Additionally Canadians would benefit from ease of access to cheaper goods. There are plenty more but these are two clear benefits.
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Most Canadians have never been interested in becoming Americans. They had chances in both the Revolution and in the War of 1812. They knew what they had with the British, and a pretty good idea of what they'd lose if they became part of the US. They chose the Brits, and most probably aren't sorry.
This has nothing to do with becoming American or vis-versa. UK and Ireland are both part of EU but are two totally distinct countries. This only applies to border crossing, applying for jobs, etc. Each country still has its own path for citizenship.
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Americans flooding Canada looking for jobs, what jobs?
No wonder under the TN arrangement, far more Americans are working in Canada versus the other way around.
And why would the American criminals want to come to Canada? because people have more disposal income here? or because the weather is better?
it might not be a good idea for Canada if the border is opened up, because Canada will lose more workers and professionals to the US where jobs are more abundant and income is higher.
despite the seemingly lower unemployment rate, it is a lot more difficult to find a job in Canada believe it or not. Our private sector is not nearly as deep and flexible as the American one.
Trade Skills and ones in Specialized fields.
I can make twice what I do now in Canada doing Low Voltage work and its fairly easy to get a job as long as you dont have a criminal record and have a few years experience.
The 60 million Americans on food stamps, the 70 million in low to minimum wage jobs, and 50 million without health insurance would probably be better of in more socialistic Canada. On the other hand, wealthy Canadians would probably want to leave Canada for Florida because of the climate.
The US would be the clear winner of unrestricted immigration between the US and Canada. Get rid of many poor and get some wealthy Canadians in return. Canada would be the big loser in this situation. Canada should keep its borders closed or even build a fence. It is never a good thing living next to a third world country or a country doing its very best decaying into one.
The 60 million Americans on food stamps, the 70 million in low to minimum wage jobs, and 50 million without health insurance would probably be better of in more socialistic Canada. On the other hand, wealthy Canadians would probably want to leave Canada for Florida because of the climate.
The US would be the clear winner of unrestricted immigration between the US and Canada. Get rid of many poor and get some wealthy Canadians in return. Canada would be the big loser in this situation. Canada should keep its borders closed or even build a fence. It is never a good thing living next to a third world country or a country doing its very best decaying into one.
Whoa there! Canada does not have it's borders "closed" and welcomes acceptable immigrants from all points of the compass.
The U.S. is now undergoing a period in it's history where it is akin to a prize fighter having taken a couple of hard hits and is now falling back on a strategy of clinching, rather than fighting, to wait out the bell.
Decaying into a third world country? While I'll be the first to jump on and disabuse anyone from the U.S. claiming they are our "better", superior in all respects, protector and general all round benign benefactor to Canada; I will also be the first to jump on and say that if the U.S. resembles a third world country in any manner whatsoever, it's a third world country I haven't been to yet and probably one that has a two car garage with a ski-boat in one bay of the garage.
I've got no patience for any Canadians who would suggest we are lower on the scale of practical freedoms or that we all march in single-minded lock-step to one drummer like Stepford Wives lemmngs in comparison to available individual rights or freedoms of any practical sense, either tangible or expressed, in the U.S. BUT neither do I have patience for a generalization so sweeping such as yours.
I predict that in the near future a groundswell of backlash to the traditional two party nonsense of their stultifying politics will precipitate a growth or improvement in all those areas currently under assault in the U.S. and in keeping with their history it will be fun for these old eyes to watch as they once again become the engine driving the progress of many billions of people on this planet.
I just wish it would happen sooner rather than later but until it does Canada needs to be vigilant because the most dangerous situation there has ever been, is to be in close proximity to a wounded entity flailing around trying to find it's antagonist and perhaps attacking anyone who has something it thinks it presently needs to survive and thrive.
Whoa there! Canada does not have it's borders "closed" and welcomes acceptable immigrants from all points of the compass.
In the context of this topic, 'borders closed' means borders closed as in not letting any American into Canada like we can move around freely in the EU.
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Decaying into a third world country? While I'll be the first to jump on and disabuse anyone from the U.S. claiming they are our "better", superior in all respects, protector and general all round benign benefactor to Canada; I will also be the first to jump on and say that if the U.S. resembles a third world country in any manner whatsoever, it's a third world country I haven't been to yet and probably one that has a two car garage with a ski-boat in one bay of the garage.
The ski-boat and two car garage in a country where a large part of the population has no access to health care, lives on low pay or minimum wage jobs or completely on food stamps are exactly the characteristics of a third world country. The happy few have it all and the rest of them are struggling or just straight out poor.
I even got the Americans themselves to admit parts of their country look third world.
Most Canadians have never been interested in becoming Americans. They had chances in both the Revolution and in the War of 1812. They knew what they had with the British, and a pretty good idea of what they'd lose if they became part of the US. They chose the Brits, and most probably aren't sorry.
Most Canadians ended up in Canada about a hundred years after the most recent of these two events. This is a problem that some ostrich-like Canadians will eventually have to deal with: the knee-jerk anti-Americanism of traditionally loyalist-dominated parts of Canada will be drowned out by a pluralism of voices and beliefs offered by people who come from different parts of the world and who don't give a rat's a$$ about Laura Secord, Isaac Brock, British troops burning the then not-so White House, etc.
Sovereigntists have become increasingly aware of a similar phenomenon in the province of Quebec: those people who are racially diverse, who speak many tongues, and who profess different beliefs may not support the same notions or the same fictions they consider central to their conception of so-called national values. In Quebec, those so-called national values are often used to try and persuade people to separate from the Canadian project. In other parts of Canada, particularly in Ontario, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, the Anglo-dominated construct of so-called national values is often used to try and stir up an irrational dislike of and disdain towards the United States and her people. As the Canadian old guard, particularly in Ontario, loses some of its power, however, the anti-American sentiment will diminish over time and I, for one, welcome it.
Canada and the United States should have a Schengen-like arrangement. End of story. It's completely crazy that these two countries, countries which are closer in almost every conceivable way than any other pair of countries on the face of this Earth, don't currently have this kind of relationship. Whether the political classes in Ottawa and Washington can get over themselves and implement it is a whole other question, however.
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