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Old 09-07-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'd be careful about "NEVER" ...."more often than elsewhere" sounds reasonable but
stating never and even using capital letters...not too sure about that, you've been everywhere in
Anglo Canada and can confidently state that....like my old high school math teacher liked to say
"beware of absolutes"
I guess. It's IMO seen as SUPER (sorry for the caps!) tacky and tasteless in Anglo-Canada to do that, though. Not so in Quebec, where it's akin to wearing a green and yellow t-shirt that says BRASIL. It's not loaded here.
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Old 09-07-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Is it true that in Quebec at one point in time there was a sliver of a movement advocating joining the US??
Yes, there is even an official political party that advocates this. It's drifted in and out of oblivion over the years.
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Old 09-08-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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(not sure of Ottawa though), .

Ottawa being the capital is ground zero for Canadian patriotism and for discussions about how "Canada is better than the U.S. for reasons X, Y and Z..."
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Old 09-09-2017, 06:06 PM
 
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Yes, it's a very childish kind of behaviour that is all too common in international news. Many of those countries cover unimportant US news to show how much better off they are, the they have the audacity to call Americans self-centered and ignorant.
Are you an American in Australia? What is your opinion of Australian coverage of the US. From the outside looking at reports it seems similar to Canada and Europe. I saw a report covering Obama throwing the opening pitch and it was so odd. How is this news in Australia. They really can't blame the US for their own obsession. They never would have given Canada, Germany, or the UK that type of inconsequential coverage.

The UK does this too especially when it comes to health care. They cover a horror story in the US related to health insurance and than break to some comment about how blessed they are to have the NHS. Very transparent. I still remember one story of a man shooting a person in his home and they panned to an American flag on the US slowly. The US does propaganda, but foreigners do it so blatantly.
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Old 09-09-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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Are you an American in Australia? What is your opinion of Australian coverage of the US. From the outside looking at reports it seems similar to Canada and Europe. I saw a report covering Obama throwing the opening pitch and it was so odd. How is this news in Australia. They really can't blame the US for their own obsession. They never would have given Canada, Germany, or the UK that type of inconsequential coverage.

The UK does this too especially when it comes to health care. They cover a horror story in the US related to health insurance and than break to some comment about how blessed they are to have the NHS. Very transparent. I still remember one story of a man shooting a person in his home and they panned to an American flag on the US slowly. The US does propaganda, but foreigners do it so blatantly.
I'm actually Canadian. I just live in Australia at the moment. In both countries there is a tremendous level of obsession over what and how the US does things. It usually turns into how we are better than the US due to "so and so factor". Granted, there are a number of things I believe these countries do better than the US, chief among them healthcare, lower homicide rates... but to suggest that they excel on every front is naive at best.
Australia to this day hasn't fully legalized same-sex marriage.

That is why I don't understand the criticism that Americans boast about their country being superior when it's largely a product of the international community's constant coverage of the US. Even when reflecting negative points of view, the US is constantly brought up in discussions not centered around it by non-Americans, and that is something I've observed in both casual and professional environments.

The US has a tremendous economy that countries like Canada and Australia can't match due to their much smaller size.
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Old 09-09-2017, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:32 AM
 
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I don't know if you've ever lived in Anglo-Canada (I know you're from Quebec City and have lived in the U.S. I think), but there is IMO an undercurrent of anti-Americanism there that is quite a bit stronger than what you find in Quebec.


What lookyhere described is pretty much what I experienced growing up (outside Quebec).


There is anti-Americanism all over the world for sure.


But what exists in Anglo-Canada goes beyond marching down the street in Montreal (or Barcelona or wherever) against Bush's war in Iraq.


It cuts a lot closer to the bone given that Anglo-Canada sees the U.S. and (what it thinks is) its real face up close like no one else in the world does.


It's the difference between your neighbours who've never been in your house criticizing you, and being criticized by neighbours who have a 24-hour CCTV view of every room in your house.


I believe that all that hatred Canadians have against the US is jealousy, insecurity, envy, brainwashing by politicians.

Why do I say that.... because they repeat the same drivel that all anti-American zealots from all over rthe world, and you can see they feel jealous, insecure.

Canadians remember me the inhabitants of a city we have 8 km. away to the south, they are ALWAYS putting down this town because we are more famous and a high class resort during a century or more....and NOBODY knows them...

But the inhabitants of this town wholy ignore them, even speak marvels of them...so they go madder.

But not only that, they seem to have no love lost for French Canadians...and I wonder if they prefer Americans over them.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:34 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I believe that all that hatred Canadians have against the US is jealousy, insecurity, envy, brainwashing by politicians.

Why do I say that.... because they repeat the same drivel that all anti-American zealots from all over rthe world, and you can see they feel jealous, insecure.

Canadians remember me the inhabitants of a city we have 8 km. away to the south, they are ALWAYS putting down this town because we are more famous and a high class resort during a century or more....and NOBODY knows them...

But the inhabitants of this town wholy ignore them, even speak marvels of them...so they go madder.
What town or city?
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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What town or city?
Somebody will remind him shortly. But no one will ultimately remember him.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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It's quite common for young people growing up in Canada to bash the U.S. when they are searching for and establishing their identity (both personal and national), given just how ubiquitous all things American can often be in their lives.

Some people grow out of it. Some people don't.
This thread puzzled me, I recall running into this only once in seventy-nine years, and that was in the Fifties on one of our vacations in Wasaga Beach on Georgian Bay. He was a Canadian teenager and good fun, but a bit prickly about the U.S. However, he worked in a hotel patronized by many working class Americans and perhaps he was used to hearing his country slagged by them. And I remember passing through the lounging areas and hearing Americans comparing the two countries to Canada's disadvantage as if none of the people around them were Canadian.

Each time we went in those years the very first thing that impressed me about Ontario was that it was infinitely cleaner - the countryside and the cities - than the western part of N.Y. state where I lived. In those years the ditches on our roadsides with filled with litter and just plain garbage - none of that in Ontario.

Interestingly, though my mother's mother's family were all descended from Loyalists who had left New York State and settled in Hastings Co., Ont. after the American Revolution, none of them that I can recall made derogatory remarks about the U.S.

My last visits to Canada, regrettably, were quite some time ago, and perhaps there is abrasiveness nowadays. I now live in Portugal and many of the young Americans who visit are very discourteous in their behaviour and loose-mouthed with their negative criticisms. And they do seem very insecure about their place in the world, doing a lot of retro-flexing of Cold War era verbal muscles. So, I can believe that Canadian youth might be sparring for an identity too.
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