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Old 07-05-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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Why is so difficult for women who don't live in ON, QC and BC to get access?

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Old 07-05-2017, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It seems to me that the website you posted already explained that. Each province/territory sets its own policies. BTW, the information on that website appears to be a few years out of date so there's a good chance some of the policies may have changed in some provinces/territories.


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Old 07-05-2017, 03:47 PM
 
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By my math it was done in 2013. It might not be 100% accurate, but I doubt that things have changed all that much since. Is it fair to say that some provinces are more progressive than others and that it's disingenuous to paint all of Canada with the policies of individual provinces?
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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I don't think it has much to do with progressivism (whatever that means by whoever's standards) as it does with what is possible, practical, affordable and feasible. I think it's more about needing to factor in availability (or lack of availability) of medical facilities and procedures, availability of health care providers and the populations of each of the towns and populations of each of the provinces/territories in general. Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia have quite a bit higher populations than others, plus they have the biggest cities and the most advanced medical facilities and specialists / HC professionals. Also each province/territory has its own health care insurance provider setting its own policies about coverage. Then there's the fact that some provinces/territories have pockets of populations with differing cultural, ethnic and religious practices to be taken into consideration. No two provinces / territories are the same across Canada, nor should they need to be the same nor be put into same size boxes. Canada is a patchwork quilt, not a grey army blanket. So many things need to be factored in but I personally don't think progressivism is an issue.

I do think too many people are making too big a deal out of what they consider to be progressivism. It's starting to sound like a meaningless and redundant buzz word that's getting flogged to death without being thoroughly defined and agreed upon by everyone as to what constitutes its exact definition.


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Old 07-05-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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I do think too many people are making too big a deal out of what they consider to be progressivism. It's starting to sound like a meaningless and redundant buzz word that's getting flogged to death without being thoroughly defined and agreed upon by everyone as to what constitutes its exact definition.


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Old 07-05-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Because abortion is not necessary unless it's a medical emergency.
What about personal choice, or other non-medical circumstances?
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:00 PM
 
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What about personal choice, or other non-medical circumstances?
Personal choice to kill a baby.
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:09 AM
 
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An embryo is not a baby.
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:32 AM
 
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What about personal choice, or other non-medical circumstances?



Ah, that guy you're responding to doesn't know what he's talking about.

Yes, today we Canadian women have personal choice for the most part and it doesn't have to be only a medical emergency. If you look at the chart on the website that Return2FL posted you'll see that in 8 of the provinces/territories women can refer themselves to a medical abortion facility without needing their physician's approval. In 4 of the remaining 5 provinces/territories women may need to have a referral from their own family physician to a clinic or hospital either in their own province or in another province if no facility is available in their own.

In New Brunswick they're still out-dated there, a woman can't refer herself and she needs two doctors to approve her abortion request to get the procedure done in hospital. Archaic but still not as bad as what women had to do 40 years ago across the country to get permission just for a simple tubal ligation - never mind requesting an abortion - only then we were up against even more archaic policies. An un-married woman had to sit before a board of 4 physicians and state her case VERY convincingly to be successful in her request for unanimous approval for a TL. If she was married she still had to state her case convincingly before the board but she also had to have her husband's permission first and usually the husband had to sit in on the meeting and state his case for permitting the TL too. They wanted the husband to be able to demonstrate that he wasn't being coerced by his wife into him permitting her to get a tubal ligation. And this should come as no surprise, men didn't have to get approval from anybody to get vasectomies - so there was definitely a double standard happening back then. Times have changed now though.

However, regarding abortions today, although women can choose for themselves for whatever their reasons are, in each province there are still gestational limitations. According to the chart the longest period allowed being 24 weeks in Ontario and the shortest being 12 weeks in New Brunswick, Nunavut and Yukon. All other provinces fall somewhere in between the 12 and 24 week periods. Anything over the limitations and it would have to be deemed a medical emergency to be approved.


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Old 07-06-2017, 01:39 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Personal choice.

I'm a doctor. Personal choice means to me that a woman uses abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Where it becomes immoral is when abortion is used as a birth control method. It's your body though...
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