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Old 04-10-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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I'm reading the book Charley recommended, Love, Medicine & Miracles by Dr. Bernie Siegel. The author says that cancer may occur because someone's immune system is down due to depression, loss, stress. That we have cancer in us all the time but sometimes we just can't fight it. I think that's what happened to me.

Really good book.

 
Old 04-10-2012, 10:13 PM
 
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I'm reading the book Charley recommended, Love, Medicine & Miracles by Dr. Bernie Siegel. The author says that cancer may occur because someone's immune system is down due to depression, loss, stress. That we have cancer in us all the time but sometimes we just can't fight it. I think that's what happened to me.

Really good book.
I think he might be right
 
Old 04-11-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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I certainly don't think that's true, at least in my case. I first started showing symptoms shortly after getting into my dream college with a scholarship per year that was larger than my town's average household income. I wasn't stressed - I was overwhelmed with the joy of moving 1000 miles away from home, getting into an elite university that I had always dreamed about going to, and not having to worry about taking out student loans. When my symptoms reached a head when I was diagnosed, I had just gotten my first job and was very excited and stable.

I never got particularly sick, and then I got Hodgkin's.

It is really hard for me to believe that we always have errant cancer cells in our bodies - particularly for those of us who were diagnosed when we were young.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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I'm reading the book Charley recommended, Love, Medicine & Miracles by Dr. Bernie Siegel. The author says that cancer may occur because someone's immune system is down due to depression, loss, stress. That we have cancer in us all the time but sometimes we just can't fight it. I think that's what happened to me.

Really good book.
I think that the truly important part of that book is the first chapter, where Siegel talks about becoming the "exceptional patient", one who is tuned in with his/her caregivers, asks questions and takes an active role in their treatment.

I happen to disagree with him and everyone else who believes we all have cancer in our bodies. Yes, we all have cells. Yes, when cells go bad, cancer can be an end result. I also agree that there are emotions that can affect our immune systems. But the idea that we all have cancer in our bodies or that cancer can be a result of depression or stress is just not something I can accept.

Like our friend charolastra00, I was relatively healthy (for 56 years old ... lol) and very happily planning to build my dream home in Delaware, and along came Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. I believe that just as there are many different cures and/or treatments to the various forms of cancer, there are also many different causes.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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Then perhaps not, in your cases. In my case, yesterday I had a deep, horrible crying spell. You know, "everyone has died, my life is a failure, no one cares about me," etc., etc. I did feel much, much better afterwards, but it was pretty bad. And I was thinking, if these are the subconscious emotions I'm dealing with, no wonder I'm ill.

On the other hand I have lots of good things in my life. So who knows. Perhaps (has this been established?) cancer is some species of virus, and it's just chance and bad luck. I have no settled opinion on the subject.

Despite the bad day, my morning sleep before I woke had a dream which I remembered: I was healthy and strong, walking in south American somewhere. I saw what I looked like, too: strong, slender, my usual self. And even what I had on (silver ballet slippers). The Suzuki association has programs in South America. Perhaps my dream will come true, and I'll be teaching there. I don't know.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 09:21 AM
 
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I highly recommend the book "The Emperor of All Maladies" if you want to understand cancer and the research into treatments for it. It was written by an oncologist. I learned that cancer was first described in a written work in the millenia before Jesus.

If my understanding is correct, and I am no physician, all cells have genes to promote and inhibit growth. If a growth gene is damaged, growth proceeds unchecked. If an inhibitor gene is damaged, growth proceeds unchecked. He called the "stuck accelerator and failed brakes" effects. Some cancers need 2 damaged genes to grow, some need more; it just depends on what those genes do.

He doesn't really talk about stress as a cause, although I haven't finished the book. Radiation, a virus, toxic chemicals, and random mutations are the causes so far discussed.
 
Old 04-11-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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I certainly don't think that's true, at least in my case. I first started showing symptoms shortly after getting into my dream college with a scholarship per year that was larger than my town's average household income. I wasn't stressed - I was overwhelmed with the joy of moving 1000 miles away from home, getting into an elite university that I had always dreamed about going to, and not having to worry about taking out student loans. When my symptoms reached a head when I was diagnosed, I had just gotten my first job and was very excited and stable.

I never got particularly sick, and then I got Hodgkin's.

It is really hard for me to believe that we always have errant cancer cells in our bodies - particularly for those of us who were diagnosed when we were young.
I agree with you. I do believe we all have cancer cells, I have heard this from doctors and read it, but for some of us, they never manifest themselves. I am sure depression can bring on lots of ailments, but I know a lot of people who have had cancer and are not depressed in anyway. In fact, many have successfully fought it or extended their lives because of a positive attitude.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Cause of breast cancer are
1) junk food.
2) excessive drinking
3) increase of fats in food and body
4)family background
5) paraben enter in body through deodrants and perfume
sorry, I don't buy that list: I know a lot of people who have had cancer that don't fall into any of those catagories. Maybe family history, but not the rest. Any one of those could be a contributing factor but certainly not everyone will get breast cancer or any other cancer because they eat junk food, drink to much, etc and not everyone who develops breast cancer has any of these habits. We have a friend who just passed away from ovarian cancer that started with breat cancer. She didn't eat junk food to access, did not drink, no family history, and was certainly not heavy. This business about perfume, if it was a cause of breat cancer, women 50 years ago would all die of it cause they used to almost bath in perfumes. Ler's face it, anything can be said to cause cancer if you do enough studies.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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sorry, I don't buy that list: I know a lot of people who have had cancer that don't fall into any of those catagories. Maybe family history, but not the rest. Any one of those could be a contributing factor but certainly not everyone will get breast cancer or any other cancer because they eat junk food, drink to much, etc and not everyone who develops breast cancer has any of these habits. We have a friend who just passed away from ovarian cancer that started with breat cancer. She didn't eat junk food to access, did not drink, no family history, and was certainly not heavy. This business about perfume, if it was a cause of breat cancer, women 50 years ago would all die of it cause they used to almost bath in perfumes. Ler's face it, anything can be said to cause cancer if you do enough studies.
Right.

One of my dear cancer friends was diagnosed at 29 with breast cancer. No family history and was a vegan marathon runner who probably could have stood to gain a few pounds. Grew up in a fairly hippie home that lived out on a farm, made their own soaps, and used crystal deodorant. Had a double mastectomy because she was at Stage III already when they caught it.

It just takes a few errant cells. You can do what you can to help prevent it, but it's still very up to chance.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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I'm reading the book Charley recommended, Love, Medicine & Miracles by Dr. Bernie Siegel. The author says that cancer may occur because someone's immune system is down due to depression, loss, stress. That we have cancer in us all the time but sometimes we just can't fight it. I think that's what happened to me.

Really good book.
I believe this, too. Considering that most women who get breast cancer had no family history of it, my money is not on genetics. Cancer is about a lowered immune system - the question is what caused our immune system to break down to that point that our cells could not fight the cancer cells? I believe it is a combination of toxins and stress. Look at your deodorant for example. You've just put on 30 chemicals before breakfast. I'm not saying my deodorant caused this, just that there are chemicals and toxins EVERYWHERE. I think this is impacting our immune systems.

I also feel 20 years on birth control pills played a role (for me).
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