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Stopping and staying are two different things. Casinos also have restaurants and shopping as well. Neither of those require you to book a room.
Still missing my point. The casino will gladly take these types of people's money. They neither build or try to attract this type of person as their main source of revenue though. Casinos are built for die hard gamblers. Every activity or option is there to attract more big gamblers. Do you really think Steve Wynn built a golf course in the middle of the Vegas strip to sell rounds of golf at 800 a pop? No he built it to give the high roller gambler a place to play for free. Now he will gladly take your 800 and let u play, but he rather give that tee time away for free to a foursome who has a good chance of losing 6 or 7 figures that night!
Not 100% true. (comparing Foxwoods/Mohegan Sun to this), casinos like this will involve 'day tripper' buses who take all the senior citizens for like $30 and they will pull in early, and leave in the afternoon. Granny and Grandpa will throw their $50 in the slot machines, have their 3pm early bird special dinner, and board on the bus....
If there was a casino built in the area, you could have that type of scenerio (really nice flowgood business)from cities like Charlotte/Greensboro/Raleigh/Charleston...
Listen the casino will gladly take these people's money, and will be happy to do it. There are casinos in the country that make a good chunk of money this way. this casino won't though. it will be the only one around . next closest one will be 3.5 hrs. The land being along the interstate is a nice bonus, but if governor pat was offering an old landfill in southern gaston county they would still be jumpng all over it.
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Listen the casino will gladly take these people's money, and will be happy to do it. There are casinos in the country that make a good chunk of money this way. this casino won't though. it will be the only one around . next closest one will be 3.5 hrs. The land being along the interstate is a nice bonus, but if governor pat was offering an old landfill in southern gaston county they would still be jumpng all over it.
Didn't read the links I posted, did you? The Catawbas were in talks with 4 counties in North Carolina. They already passed on the Gaston landfill. They want the interstate frontage.
They've run a train & buses out of Philly since the casinos opened in Atlantic City. When a casino opens there is no one to comp. This casino would follow more closely to the AC model than the Vegas model.
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Still missing my point. The casino will gladly take these types of people's money. They neither build or try to attract this type of person as their main source of revenue though. Casinos are built for die hard gamblers. Every activity or option is there to attract more big gamblers. Do you really think Steve Wynn built a golf course in the middle of the Vegas strip to sell rounds of golf at 800 a pop? No he built it to give the high roller gambler a place to play for free. Now he will gladly take your 800 and let u play, but he rather give that tee time away for free to a foursome who has a good chance of losing 6 or 7 figures that night!
It will be the only one around, yes, so location isn't the priority as much as just getting it built in the first place. But location will help bring in those day trippers. If two locations are equal in the amount of hardcore gamblers they'll bring (and these two locations are), then what makes the difference is which location brings more short stop patrons and which location gives better tax breaks.
Didn't read the links I posted, did you? The Catawbas were in talks with 4 counties in North Carolina. They already passed on the Gaston landfill. They want the interstate frontage.
They've run a train & buses out of Philly since the casinos opened in Atlantic City. When a casino opens there is no one to comp. This casino would follow more closely to the AC model than the Vegas model.
Well duh, they would take the best spot, but it isn't that important. If SC gets their act together before NC, they will build it in SC. The Cherokee would have loved to have it theirs off Interstate 40, but guess what its not, and its a pain to get to, and its absolutely packed everyday. As for comps, there will be people to comp, because the Catawba's will hire someone to run it. Whatever company that may be will be a national player with a database of hardcore gamblers to bring in.
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Well duh, they would take the best spot, but it isn't that important. If SC gets their act together before NC, they will build it in SC. The Cherokee would have loved to have it theirs off Interstate 40, but guess what its not, and its a pain to get to, and its absolutely packed everyday. As for comps, there will be people to comp, because the Catawba's will hire someone to run it. Whatever company that may be will be a national player with a database of hardcore gamblers to bring in.
I voted for casinos in AC. I have known plenty of people who raised their kids working in the casinos & several farmers who were able to save the family farm by working in the casinos after Campbells moved the soup plant to Ohio.
When the casinos open, they are a blank slate. The national players have their databases. When you're talking about Vegas, Reno, or AC, there are known gamblers in the area already. When you have a straggler, as this would be, there might be a few individuals in the area, but they will build a comp list, just as the casinos in AC did when gambling was legalized there.
I voted for casinos in AC. I have known plenty of people who raised their kids working in the casinos & several farmers who were able to save the family farm by working in the casinos after Campbells moved the soup plant to Ohio.
When the casinos open, they are a blank slate. The national players have their databases. When you're talking about Vegas, Reno, or AC, there are known gamblers in the area already. When you have a straggler, as this would be, there might be a few individuals in the area, but they will build a comp list, just as the casinos in AC did when gambling was legalized there.
times are sure different now, if you don't think the casino won't open with a huge comp list then your just not being realistic. you act like all the gamblers are going to be new. They are established players that go to all the places u mentioned. Whatever company runs the casino will know of them, and will be hitting them up long before it opens.
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times are sure different now, if you don't think the casino won't open with a huge comp list then your just not being realistic. you act like all the gamblers are going to be new. They are established players that go to all the places u mentioned. Whatever company runs the casino will know of them, and will be hitting them up long before it opens.
I'm sure that there are some high rollers in this vicinity. They will certainly get an invitation for the grand opening. Some might be flown in, too. The Catawbas will build their own comp list. They are not going to be flying high rollers in 24/7, 365 days of the year.
I've known people who worked in the AC casinos & some worked their way up to management. The AC model is not the same as the Vegas/Reno model. Yes, they are similar, but not the same. Steve Wynn went into AC, early on, & puilled out because it operated on a different model.
Since you seem so convinced of being right, where is your theory coming from?
The AC model uses the bus & train concept to bring in huge numbers of small-time gamblers. Jack & I are quite well aware of how that model works. You bring in a steady stream who drop small amounts & then you don't have to comp them. Over time you find your high rollers & comp them.
I'm sure that there are some high rollers in this vicinity. They will certainly get an invitation for the grand opening. Some might be flown in, too. The Catawbas will build their own comp list. They are not going to be flying high rollers in 24/7, 365 days of the year.
I've known people who worked in the AC casinos & some worked their way up to management. The AC model is not the same as the Vegas/Reno model. Yes, they are similar, but not the same. Steve Wynn went into AC, early on, & puilled out because it operated on a different model.
Since you seem so convinced of being right, where is your theory coming from?
The AC model uses the bus & train concept to bring in huge numbers of small-time gamblers. Jack & I are quite well aware of how that model works. You bring in a steady stream who drop small amounts & then you don't have to comp them. Over time you find your high rollers & comp them.
The Catawba'S won't build anything. They won't run the casino. All they are going to do is collect the money. No business is ever going to turn away money, but if you think this so called casino is going to thrive on ma and pa coming in dropping a 50 on the slots, and eating at the buffet, you are mistaken. This Casino will look just like HarraH'S CHEROKEE, and that casino is designed for people who drop large sums of money. They could care less about the small time player. Have you been? do you know the table limits? have you seen the action? Again go to their website, and try to book a room, its not happening. They aren't in the business of selling hotel rooms.
As for AC it was smart for them back in the 80's and 90's to do the bus and train thing. Hell why wouldn't you. There was tons of old people up there, and they didnt have any other way to gamble. I promise u they have changed their strategy, since then though. Every state up there has casino's now. The old folk have no reason to board a bus for a 4 hr drive, when there is a slot machine 45 minutes from their home.
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The Catawba'S won't build anything. They won't run the casino. All they are going to do is collect the money. No business is ever going to turn away money, but if you think this so called casino is going to thrive on ma and pa coming in dropping a 50 on the slots, and eating at the buffet, you are mistaken. This Casino will look just like HarraH'S CHEROKEE, and that casino is designed for people who drop large sums of money. They could care less about the small time player. Have you been? do you know the table limits? have you seen the action? Again go to their website, and try to book a room, its not happening. They aren't in the business of selling hotel rooms.
As for AC it was smart for them back in the 80's and 90's to do the bus and train thing. Hell why wouldn't you. There was tons of old people up there, and they didnt have any other way to gamble. I promise u they have changed their strategy, since then though. Every state up there has casino's now. The old folk have no reason to board a bus for a 4 hr drive, when there is a slot machine 45 minutes from their home.
Is there a reason for your hostility? If the Catawbas get approval, it's still their casino no matter who runs it. I'd guess Ballys has a good chance of being the operator. How do you know what the Catawba's casino would look like?
When you open a casino 35 or so miles from Charlotte & not that far from a good many other cities, it's perfect to bus 'em in. If the Catawba wanted an area where they could isolate the gamblers they could have picked a site in Casar.
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The Catawbas were in talks with 4 counties in North Carolina. They already passed on the Gaston landfill. They want the interstate frontage.
