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I for one have found this thread to be extremely informative...
As for the bolded above, please....enlighten me.
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Enrollment for UCPS is on the decline and it is forecast to get even lower as more charters open and existing charters expand. Even with those obvious indicators (enrollment numbers are publicly available), many people choose to judge by "eye" what is happening... they see lots of new construction and some crowded schools, so they assume the county needs to build more schools. Unfortunately, the reality is that UCPS will likely be closing schools not too far into the future.
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Enrollment for UCPS is on the decline and it is forecast to get even lower as more charters open and existing charters expand. Even with those obvious indicators (enrollment numbers are publicly available), many people choose to judge by "eye" what is happening... they see lots of new construction and some crowded schools, so they assume the county needs to build more schools. Unfortunately, the reality is that UCPS will likely be closing schools not too far into the future.
If the BOE is smart, which they don't seem to be, given what's documented in your thread, as schools are closed they will rent them out with 5 year leases. The general population is in another bust cycle. it's about 2/3 of the way through a bust.
If the BOE is smart, which they don't seem to be, given what's documented in your thread, as schools are closed they will rent them out with 5 year leases. The general population is in another bust cycle. it's about 2/3 of the way through a bust.
That makes a lot of sense, but they aren't there... yet. One of the intentions from this redistrict was to help put that off as long as possible (closing schools) by "balancing utilization based on the forecast", but the reality is they don't know enough at this time to make any detailed assessment - it was a best guess that they needed to load up Marvin. Even the forecaster himself was clear that the forecast comes with many caveats.
we will be back here with another thread soon enough.
I wonder what impact the 74 bypass will have out east. That could spur a lot of new growth along its exits with easy access to Charlotte. A few years away, though.
If the BOE is smart, which they don't seem to be, given what's documented in your thread, as schools are closed they will rent them out with 5 year leases. The general population is in another bust cycle. it's about 2/3 of the way through a bust.
On the surface your suggestion seems simple enough and quite reasonable.
Looking past the obvious, you will find that the relationship between the BOE and BOCC is quite the symbiotic romance, both from a personal and legal standpoint.
While the BOE "owns" the schools (Well, most of them anyway, but that's for a later discussion) they cannot sell or transfer the property to another entity. Everything has to be approved by the BOCC. It is an extremely lengthy process (see the YMCA purchase/lease agreement that failed to materialize with the BOE on Cuthbertson's 18 acres) that could take years to approve.
An example of leasing a closed school is the old Shiloh Elementary on Monroe Rd near the airport. Cetain legislators decided having school children under the flight path for Monroe International Airport wasn't a good idea. Bond money built the new Shiloh Elementary on Rogers Rd, and the old building was used for storage and office space for certain UCPS departments. Along comes Union Academy, the first charter school in Union County. A deal is struck, with the help of certain legislators and ex-legislators (now charter board members) and the building gets cleaned up and leased (minimal cost, maybe 1 dollar a year) to UA with no profit to UCPS despite holding the title at the registrar of deeds office.
NOTE: To this day there are still children under the flight path to the airport!
Another example of a closed school is old Union Elementary, yet another is old Fairview Elementary. Do some research to see UCPS didn't turn a profit on those buildings nor did UCPS realize any "credit" with the commissioners on those deals.
Interestingly, I'm not sure of the details of the old Western Union in downtown Mineral Springs, but I think by comparison, the Mineral Springs council may have gotten the proverbial shaft on that deal. I'm a bit fuzzy on that one, so best contact a Mineral Springs official for the gospel regarding that transaction.
Enrollment for UCPS is on the decline and it is forecast to get even lower as more charters open and existing charters expand. Even with those obvious indicators (enrollment numbers are publicly available), many people choose to judge by "eye" what is happening... they see lots of new construction and some crowded schools, so they assume the county needs to build more schools. Unfortunately, the reality is that UCPS will likely be closing schools not too far into the future.
That makes a lot of sense, but they aren't there... yet. One of the intentions from this redistrict was to help put that off as long as possible (closing schools) by "balancing utilization based on the forecast", but the reality is they don't know enough at this time to make any detailed assessment - it was a best guess that they needed to load up Marvin. Even the forecaster himself was clear that the forecast comes with many caveats.
we will be back here with another thread soon enough.
Why spread out the students simply to keep schools open. Wouldn't it be cost effective to close the schools and reap the savings by reducing the transportation needs, (a biggie with this BOE), staff, electricity, water, maintenance, etc.?
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On the surface your suggestion seems simple enough and quite reasonable.
Looking past the obvious, you will find that the relationship between the BOE and BOCC is quite the symbiotic romance, both from a personal and legal standpoint.
While the BOE "owns" the schools (Well, most of them anyway, but that's for a later discussion) they cannot sell or transfer the property to another entity. Everything has to be approved by the BOCC. It is an extremely lengthy process (see the YMCA purchase/lease agreement that failed to materialize with the BOE on Cuthbertson's 18 acres) that could take years to approve.
An example of leasing a closed school is the old Shiloh Elementary on Monroe Rd near the airport. Cetain legislators decided having school children under the flight path for Monroe International Airport wasn't a good idea. Bond money built the new Shiloh Elementary on Rogers Rd, and the old building was used for storage and office space for certain UCPS departments. Along comes Union Academy, the first charter school in Union County. A deal is struck, with the help of certain legislators and ex-legislators (now charter board members) and the building gets cleaned up and leased (minimal cost, maybe 1 dollar a year) to UA with no profit to UCPS despite holding the title at the registrar of deeds office.
NOTE: To this day there are still children under the flight path to the airport!
Another example of a closed school is old Union Elementary, yet another is old Fairview Elementary. Do some research to see UCPS didn't turn a profit on those buildings nor did UCPS realize any "credit" with the commissioners on those deals.
Interestingly, I'm not sure of the details of the old Western Union in downtown Mineral Springs, but I think by comparison, the Mineral Springs council may have gotten the proverbial shaft on that deal. I'm a bit fuzzy on that one, so best contact a Mineral Springs official for the gospel regarding that transaction.
My former town was faced with a glut of buildings after the Baby Boom passed through the system. They closed the 3 oldest buildings. 2 were sold & the 3rd was torn down, in spite of senior citizens requesting the building for a senior citizens center. When the Boomlet became school-age, oops, they needed the space again, so they added on to the existing elementary schools & reconfigured the junior highs. That's where I came up with rent them out. It's a cycle dating back to the Depression & WWII.
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That makes a lot of sense, but they aren't there... yet. One of the intentions from this redistrict was to help put that off as long as possible (closing schools) by "balancing utilization based on the forecast", but the reality is they don't know enough at this time to make any detailed assessment - it was a best guess that they needed to load up Marvin. Even the forecaster himself was clear that the forecast comes with many caveats.
we will be back here with another thread soon enough.
Given the class reductions that the legislature wants to mandate, it's probably a reasonable idea. Unfortunately, I don't think that that's part of their reasoning.
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